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Topic Started: March 30, 2015, 4:13 pm (39,086 Views)
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April 17, 2015, 5:18 pm
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I think writing plays a bigger part than many people want to admit.
Darnell and Debbi had the best modern era supercouple writing ANY supercouple, on any soap, ever got. AMC writers did them very good. As a result their chem was as good, if not better, than ever.
The Angie/Jesse reunion was pinned by Agnes Nixon herself, that is why, although she wasn't involved after their wedding and Rob Gardner thing ended. She just did the original return story.
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April 17, 2015, 5:23 pm
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I wouldn't have much issue with how Fin and Ian play things if they had stayed on the show consistently for 25 years and were this show's senior couple. I have no problem with married couples aging into a sweet, comfortable spot like Lila/Edward or Steve/Audrey, if they earned it. D&A didn't earn it. They had decades to make up for and fraught obstacles. But as soon as they got back together both Ian and Finola played it too comfortable. There was so much more tension there between Anna and Faison-Duke. Ian and Fin have an easy rapport that does show up onscreen, but it's not the right rapport for a major REUNION. They played it like their had been together non-stop for years, like those sweet old, comfy married couples we had on the show way back when.
They had to do what the script told them to do, it's not like they were writing the story. Face it RC gave them nothing but silly fluff scenes like the pickle/chew/teach me twitter scene at Kellys and that horrid Duke in a tutu that I found embarrassing for IanB but other found laughably charming. Once RC was done with Faison/Duke, he didn't know what to do with just Duke. It's this not knowing or caring which is the reason for his now decided to write him completely off.
WORD! RC just doesn't care about the old vets and couples and that's the bottom line for me..He showed no effort on giving D&A any thing real and infact pulled a guza on Duke with the ooc writing.. Shameful! IA. The overall material was awful but he did give them some scenes that showed them in a sexy, romantic like and those scenes were flat. They've many kisses scenes and it's been those scenes that showed me, at least anyway, that they've lost it. Those awkward kisses scenes were disgusting, even Luke/Lauira whom I don't like worth a damn knew how to pucker up when it was time for a passionate kiss. Fin/Ian failed.
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April 17, 2015, 5:27 pm
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Off the top of my head I can think of several actors who, even playing the same characters, just lost their spark later on.
Robert and Holly Max and Gabrielle (OLTL) Duke and Anna Viki and Clint (OLTL) Erica and Mike (AMC) Patch and Kayla (DAYS) Edmund and Maria (AMC) Brenda and Sonny
Edmund and Maria could've been because of their real life break up, though I never saw chemistry with them anyway. He was better with Brooke.
Mike seemed like a different character under McTrash's pen, but I still enjoyed them in the 90's when he returned from the dead and rooted for him over her and Jackson. I loved when she locked him on the big dog cage, lol.
Patch and Kayla had no chemistry in the 2006 return.
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April 17, 2015, 5:28 pm
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They had to do what the script told them to do, it's not like they were writing the story. Face it RC gave them nothing but silly fluff scenes like the pickle/chew/teach me twitter scene at Kellys and that horrid Duke in a tutu that I found embarrassing for IanB but other found laughably charming. Once RC was done with Faison/Duke, he didn't know what to do with just Duke. It's this not knowing or caring which is the reason for his now decided to write him completely off.
WORD! RC just doesn't care about the old vets and couples and that's the bottom line for me..He showed no effort on giving D&A any thing real and infact pulled a guza on Duke with the ooc writing.. Shameful!
I'm sorry, I do agree their material was scarce. But even the material created to show some sexuality/chemistry was delivered flat and awkward. Im sorry, but IB is a one-note actor. He plays the emotionally charged scenes the same way he plays scenes talking about Twitter. The only time I have ever seen a difference (very minutely and not convincingly) was the Anna/Duke office confrontation. it was a different take from IB, but I still don't think it was good. He was better at playing sinister. He has a talent for playing that type of role very convincingly. When he first came back as Faison, it was excellent. It was a subtle menacing portrayal that he elevated as the audience came to know who he really was. Ian really does plays bad very convincingly, he even looks bad and sly when he's playing absolutely good. He's master the sly snake in the grass look perfectly.
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April 17, 2015, 5:30 pm
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I think writing plays a bigger part than many people want to admit.
Darnell and Debbi had the best modern era supercouple writing ANY supercouple, on any soap, ever got. AMC writers did them very good. As a result their chem was as good, if not better, than ever.
R&A got really good material on NS2.
L&L got amazing material in the 90s and in 2006.
D&A. R&H. S&B. F&F. None of these couples got great writing, or strong story support, in a very longtime.
Robert and Anna had me in tears on NS2. They were so beautiful and compelling. I can honestly say that's when I became a fan.
Lets be honest here. Darnell and Debbi acting their ASSES off. They were completely behind selling Angie and Jesse like nobody in the history of ever loved each other that much. They sold that love story even more than they did in the 80s, when Jangie were a supercouple, but not in the same league of Cliff/Nina or Greg/Jenny. Tony Geary and Genie Francis sold the hell out of Luke and Laura's love in 1993 and again in 2006. They lived up to their legendary chemistry and worked hard to show that connection from their very first scenes in each of those years. Tristan and Finola did the same with NS2. In fact they sold a deeper, more mature love on NS2 than they did in the 90s on GH.\ I didn't see that same effort in the acting with Tristan and Emma. Or Tony during L&L's last 2 times onscreen together. I see Ian and Fin only putting in effort when D&A are in conflict, otherwise they play D&A just like Audrey and Steve. Darnell and Debbi must've done something right in the 80's because they both won Emmy's for the roles, something none of the Cliff/Nina or Greg/Jenny actors did.
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April 17, 2015, 5:32 pm
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WORD. I would bet my last buck, that the way Duke/Anna interact now is probably the same way Fin/Ian interact in real life. I don't want to see Fin/Ian when we're suppose to be seeing DnA. real Life has ruined my once fav couple, which is why I lean more toward R&A now.
I wouldn't have much issue with how Fin and Ian play things if they had stayed on the show consistently for 25 years and were this show's senior couple. I have no problem with married couples aging into a sweet, comfortable spot like Lila/Edward or Steve/Audrey, if they earned it. D&A didn't earn it. They had decades to make up for and fraught obstacles. But as soon as they got back together both Ian and Finola played it too comfortable. There was so much more tension there between Anna and Faison-Duke. Ian and Fin have an easy rapport that does show up onscreen, but it's not the right rapport for a major REUNION. They played it like their had been together non-stop for years, like those sweet old, comfy married couples we had on the show way back when.
They had to do what the script told them to do, it's not like they were writing the story. Face it RC gave them nothing but silly fluff scenes like the pickle/chew/teach me twitter scene at Kellys and that horrid Duke in a tutu that I found embarrassing for IanB but other found laughably charming. Once RC was done with Faison/Duke, he didn't know what to do with just Duke. It's this not knowing or caring which is the reason for his now decided to write him completely off. And that's the bottom line. RC has never knew what to do with just Duke once he brought him back, which is why he should've left him dead, instead of bringing him back and turning into some pathetic, weak Sonny's butt kisser.
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April 17, 2015, 5:40 pm
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I think writing plays a bigger part than many people want to admit.
Darnell and Debbi had the best modern era supercouple writing ANY supercouple, on any soap, ever got. AMC writers did them very good. As a result their chem was as good, if not better, than ever.
R&A got really good material on NS2.
L&L got amazing material in the 90s and in 2006.
D&A. R&H. S&B. F&F. None of these couples got great writing, or strong story support, in a very longtime.
F&F got good writing in the 90's. Yes, and they knocked those scenes out of the park. But the 90s is a long time ago.
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April 17, 2015, 6:20 pm
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Jesse and Angie got a great wedding too.
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April 17, 2015, 6:31 pm
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Off the top of my head I can think of several actors who, even playing the same characters, just lost their spark later on.
Robert and Holly Max and Gabrielle (OLTL) Duke and Anna Viki and Clint (OLTL) Erica and Mike (AMC) Patch and Kayla (DAYS) Edmund and Maria (AMC) Brenda and Sonny
Edmund and Maria could've been because of their real life break up, though I never saw chemistry with them anyway. He was better with Brooke. Mike seemed like a different character under McTrash's pen, but I still enjoyed them in the 90's when he returned from the dead and rooted for him over her and Jackson. I loved when she locked him on the big dog cage, lol. Patch and Kayla had no chemistry in the 2006 return. i agree that patch/kayla had no chemistry at all their second time around in '06 , I wonder if they will this time.
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April 17, 2015, 9:57 pm
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I think writing plays a bigger part than many people want to admit.
Darnell and Debbi had the best modern era supercouple writing ANY supercouple, on any soap, ever got. AMC writers did them very good. As a result their chem was as good, if not better, than ever.
R&A got really good material on NS2.
L&L got amazing material in the 90s and in 2006.
D&A. R&H. S&B. F&F. None of these couples got great writing, or strong story support, in a very longtime.
Robert and Anna had me in tears on NS2. They were so beautiful and compelling. I can honestly say that's when I became a fan.
Lets be honest here. Darnell and Debbi acting their ASSES off. They were completely behind selling Angie and Jesse like nobody in the history of ever loved each other that much. They sold that love story even more than they did in the 80s, when Jangie were a supercouple, but not in the same league of Cliff/Nina or Greg/Jenny. Tony Geary and Genie Francis sold the hell out of Luke and Laura's love in 1993 and again in 2006. They lived up to their legendary chemistry and worked hard to show that connection from their very first scenes in each of those years. Tristan and Finola did the same with NS2. In fact they sold a deeper, more mature love on NS2 than they did in the 90s on GH.\ I didn't see that same effort in the acting with Tristan and Emma. Or Tony during L&L's last 2 times onscreen together. I see Ian and Fin only putting in effort when D&A are in conflict, otherwise they play D&A just like Audrey and Steve. How could you see the same effort with Tristan and Emma when they've barely had any screen time together? The last time they were on GH at the same time, the only time they shared screen time was when air-hog Tony Geary was with them. Sorry, I don't think it's a fair comparison.
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