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Luke seemed to think Holly cheated on him when she married Robert during the time he let everyone think he was dead. Yet he seemed to take Laura's relationship with Stavros without railing at her. In 1983, that is. Later on, he changed his tune.
Because it had been a shorter time he had been "dead" when he came back for Holly. Only a few months! And she had spread her legs for his friend. Laura, he couldn't have qualms about because it had been a couple years and he had other women too. Luke didn't have any women during his months he was presumed dead. Luke changed his tune when he found out Laura had a kid with him.
Oh GMAB! All the magazines heralded Robert and Holly as the best love story of 1983 and you're saying Holly "spread her legs" for Luke's best friends. Hmm...could you be an R&A fan? :lmfao:
NOP but I think that exactly how Luke saw it, that Holly spread her legs to his best friend after Robert seduced her.


Luke's words and questions.


"I bet you two couldn't keep you hands off each other"

It was mighty convenience to have my best friend here to comfort you.

How did it feel to make love to Holly Sutton?

"I know my friend" "Marriage is not for him but he LOVE what go along with a marriage"

You're always thinking Robert, that's why I like you, Were you thinking. I want Holly Sutton and I'm going to have her, just as soon as I get ole curly top out the way.
Are we talking about the fans or Luke? Luke would never say the words "spread legs" but we know R&A fans would say that about Holly. And in the end, Holly even told Robert that although Luke was being pissy, Luke knew Holly loved Robert.
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Guys,

You'll need to run not walk to the nearest Walmart, CVS, Walgreen, etc etc and pick up the newest SOD and read Leslie Charleson interview. She had me LMAO about Guza's writing..She said Guza had them looking like fools with his scripts. And she said, she got to the point of thinking she would rather not be onscreen then to looks like a fools saying those lines. Honestly, it's a good read and worth the 3.99.
Another thing Leslie said that stood out to me. She said was embarrassed of some of the stuff they had to say and do. And that made me think of all the other 80s fan favorites that have returned. I bet they all were embarrassed with the crap Guza had them doing and saying too.
I'm sure they did as well. Emma said her stint on GH in 2009 was the worst moment of her career.
I bet...There were times in her last visit (Ethan's dad sl) where she was actually struggling with her lines. I guess, she couldn't believe what they expected her to say.
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Holly as usual was the victim of some hack writer pen. The writers who came after Monty's depart, Changed Holly's back story from what GM's had established and made her a liar plain and simple..All for some lousy storyline with a twin and some jungle and disgusting Bill. I see why ES had no problem leaving GH in the 90s. Those writers screwed Holly and Robert hardcore.
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Luke seemed to think Holly cheated on him when she married Robert during the time he let everyone think he was dead. Yet he seemed to take Laura's relationship with Stavros without railing at her. In 1983, that is. Later on, he changed his tune.
Because it had been a shorter time he had been "dead" when he came back for Holly. Only a few months! And she had spread her legs for his friend. Laura, he couldn't have qualms about because it had been a couple years and he had other women too. Luke didn't have any women during his months he was presumed dead. Luke changed his tune when he found out Laura had a kid with him.
Robert was Holly's husband. There was no cheating, except in Luke's head. And he sure wanted to know details, didn't he? :lol:
Seriously. How can you cheat on your boyfriend with your husband? :lmfao:

Luke just looked like a perv with all his questions.
Luke did. ;cool; But I loved the entire storyline. As much as I didn't want Holly to go back to Luke, I felt for Luke. It was a really well-written storyline.
Luke sounded like he wanted a step by step re-cap. :lol:
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Even with the re-write, I look at it as the same as being separated (in Holly's viewpoint). Who stays celibate when they believe their marriage is over and that they will never see their husband again? Nobody.
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Even with the re-write, I look at it as the same as being separated (in Holly's viewpoint). Who stays celibate when they believe their marriage is over and that they will never see their husband again? Nobody.
I was really happy with Holly "It haven't been anyone since you" revealed, She WAS married to the LOVE OF HER LIFE. Why should it had been anyone else? All she had to do was come back home....I wasn't happy at all with the reasoned Monty's gave of why she away, I thought it was completely OOC for Holly, but at least Monty's gave us that as a consolation prize and the other writers ruined it. Holly would have never lied to Robert like that.. Sorry, Holly didn't have a leg to stand on with those rewrites..It made her looked bad in my eyes, and I stopped watching it....I love Holly but I LOVED R&H even more..And anybody that mess with my favorite pairing lose me. Robert was the love of her life. How does her viewpoint make any sense and still claimed that he's the LOHL? It was bad, bad...

It Wasn't weird or strange for Robert's to grieved and then carried memories of her to all his other relationships.I really love that.. He still carrying her letter and that was 3 yrs later. I absolutely loved that. For me, it made R&H just that more special. It was like Holly was THE one and all the other women were 2nd, 3rd best. I guess it's why I've never tripped over R&A or Robert with being with anybody, how can you? After that rewrite to Holly? Robert thought Holly was long dead when he moved on. What was Holly's excuse? The rewrite crapped on R&H Period. I so wish Holly had of just left with Robert or just stayed dead. Her times on her own sucked and only served to make R&H insignificant. Sorry, my opinion from a R&H fan first, last and always.
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Even with the re-write, I look at it as the same as being separated (in Holly's viewpoint). Who stays celibate when they believe their marriage is over and that they will never see their husband again? Nobody.
But they weren't separated. Robert thought his wife was dead and Holly knew otherwise.
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Even with the re-write, I look at it as the same as being separated (in Holly's viewpoint). Who stays celibate when they believe their marriage is over and that they will never see their husband again? Nobody.
But they weren't separated. Robert thought his wife was dead and Holly knew otherwise.
As the previous poster said, in Holly's viewpoint they were separated because Robert had moved on.
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There were times I liked Sean and times I hated him. I don't think he was the best guy. I hated that he cheated on Tiffany. I didn't like his start either. Sean could be a big jerk.
I swear some of these writers sure know how to ruined these characters with infidelity.

Honestly, It make no sense, really, Sean didn't cheat on Tiffany with they were just boyfriend and

girlfriend, why in heaven's name would he cheat on her as his wife? He had the opportunity to cheat on

Tiffany many times with Greta, Cheryl (before he knew Tiffany & Cheryl were sis) The Chinese woman

that was Faison's lady, and S&T were having serious problem b/c Sean was doing something crooked

and being secretive.
Different writers.

I personally hate when couples cheat. It's such a weak tool for causing angst. Think of something different, writers.
Do you think it's cheating when a husband or wife moved on b/c he/ or she think their spouse is dead? Or how about when the presumed dead spouse moved on with another knowing full well that he or she is still married. Is that consider cheating?
The first one is definitely not cheating. I'm not sure about the 2nd one.
That's what happened with R&H, when a writer took it upon his or herself to rewrite Gloria Monty carefully crafted back story for her. So, in truth R&H were ruined before WAY Guza ever put his pen to them. The only reason R&H legacy last as long as it did was b/c we had a strong actor protecting it. Once that actor left, R&H legacy went down the drain and they became just another couple. Sad but true. Nothing is sacred with writers that are creative bankrupt.
I'm confused. How were R&H ruined way before Guza got a hold of them?
Infidelity.
RnH were never unfaithful to each other before Guza's hack job.
I think they were referring to the fact Holly had other lovers when she knew Robert was alive and they were still married.
Holly never had lovers while she knew Robert was alive. (See the scenes from 1992). Again, the so-called unfaithfulness (which I still don't buy) happened under Guza's pen.
Not true. Well, in Robert's case. Yes, it's true. He was faithful, Hell, he even passed up sex, that was thrown at him from a porn star because he wasn't over his wife. Robert had other lovers because he thought his wife was dead. Holly knew she wasn't dead and hooked up with Frank Runyeon's character. So, she wasn't faithful. She knew she had a husband out there.
That was AFTER she thought Robert died in the explosion. Watch the scenes in 1992 when Robert and Holly have dinner and she tells him "there hasn't been anyone else". Good try, though.
Even with the re-write, I look at it as the same as being separated (in Holly's viewpoint). Who stays celibate when they believe their marriage is over and that they will never see their husband again? Nobody.
I was really happy with Holly "It haven't been anyone since you" revealed, She WAS married to the LOVE OF HER LIFE. Why should it had been anyone else? All she had to do was come back home....I wasn't happy at all with the reasoned Monty's gave of why she away, I thought it was completely OOC for Holly, but at least Monty's gave us that as a consolation prize and the other writers ruined it. Holly would have never lied to Robert like that.. Sorry, Holly didn't have a leg to stand on with those rewrites..It made her looked bad in my eyes, and I stopped watching it....I love Holly but I LOVED R&H even more..And anybody that mess with my favorite pairing lose me. Robert was the love of her life. How does her viewpoint make any sense and still claimed that he's the LOHL? It was bad, bad...

It Wasn't weird or strange for Robert's to grieved and then carried memories of her to all his other relationships.I really love that.. He still carrying her letter and that was 3 yrs later. I absolutely loved that. For me, it made R&H just that more special. It was like Holly was THE one and all the other women were 2nd, 3rd best. I guess it's why I've never tripped over R&A or Robert with being with anybody, how can you? After that rewrite to Holly? Robert thought Holly was long dead when he moved on. What was Holly's excuse? The rewrite crapped on R&H Period. I so wish Holly had of just left with Robert or just stayed dead. Her times on her own sucked and only served to make R&H insignificant. Sorry, my opinion from a R&H fan first, last and always.
I was OK with it. You can have a sexual relationship with someone without being in love with them. It didn't change Robert being the love of Holly's life, in my book. Sex and love don't always go hand in hand.
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^ Didn't Tony used that same poor excuse? Luke cheated on Laura with hookers and Holly b/c Sex is just sex and Laura was his true love? lol
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