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| Demoness | Mar 8 2011, 02:05 PM Post #11 |
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So.... You're making is sound like AF basic is harder than Army at this point because we had no access to computers and we were allowed to call once a week. >.> I agree though. Less support breeds comraderie because you're all going through the same bad thing and you're forced to talk. AFAIK the suicides at the base weren't deployment located either... They just chose not to use the support system we have in place. |
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| rarier | Mar 10 2011, 10:42 AM Post #12 |
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Army having cell phones is relatively new as far as I know... the situation with my high school friend (the mom) and her son (a grunt) is the first encounter of this sort I've had. I heard rumors several months ago but I didn't buy 'em... but her son -is- in AIT and does have FB nightly... or nearly nightly. If its really gone to that then you can bet its systemwide... not just a single service. When I went through we got zip during Basic and if we were fortunate and did extremely well the drills would allow us a 5 minute call in a 3 hour time zone on Saturday... if you couldn't get through to the pay phone then cest la vie... there's always next week to try again. Jump school was way different 'cause you were already a soldier... just going through a qualification course. During your off hours you could do what you wished... but woe betide if you failed to have polished boots or a clean uniform the following day 'cause the Blacjhats would make your existance Hell. |
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| Demoness | Mar 10 2011, 02:07 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah... Our tech school was like that, provided we had a computer and bought internet service. I thought you meant during Basic. My tech school was pretty lax though and I don't think characteristic of the rest of the service because I know Lackland was a pain in the ass. Keesler allowed people to get drunk and stay off base during the weekends provided no one did anything stupid. If they did... Well, it wasn't pretty. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 10 2011, 05:28 PM Post #14 |
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Good luck to you. |
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| rarier | Mar 10 2011, 08:48 PM Post #15 |
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My drills had a twisted sense of humor... at the end of Basic (6 weeks) they packed us up and sent us off to AIT. Now, had we possessed even a pair of grey cells to form a synapse at that point we'd have known something was up -way- earlier than the light dawning. We were an OSUT unit... One Station Unit Training. Trained up as a platoon, sent to jump school as a platoon and then on to the 82nd as a unit. So the drills, we got the funny ones, packed us all up and crammed us into a cattle car... and wished us the best of luck in AIT as we drove away. Once around the block and we were treated to the Day-1 treatment all over... having arrived at our AIT station. AIT, for us, was almost a continuation of Basic for 8 more weeks. I guess maybe we got a double dose of high stress 'cause we were a bunch o' gruntz... the last couple of weeks eased up. Drills turned almost human... almost. If you forgot that they hated you and failed to fear them... you would be reminded. Of course it was a role, and we knew it... but you played the game. I learned all the 'why' of the game later... as a SERE instructor. Now -that- was fun. |
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| Demoness | Mar 10 2011, 11:21 PM Post #16 |
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That sounds like what happens to the Security Forces people. Our squad knew about the trick though since our Basic dorm was right across the street from the SFS one. I'm curious about SERE, but I don't think I'll ever go through with it unless I cross train get much much higher. |
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| DeSchaine | Mar 11 2011, 03:31 AM Post #17 |
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God of War
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Rarier, sounds like you're a former inmate of the Sand Hill Insane Asylum. (Army Infantry school at Benning for those that dont know) I went through there in 99/00. No papers, no radio, no cells. Calls home once a week. Training was all that mattered. We had mail call about every other night, unless we were in the field. SERE is hell. Litterally. They put you through a lighter version of what the enemy is liable to put you through. DOnt know what it was in rarier's time in, but nowadays lasts anywhere from three days to two weeks. |
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| Demoness | Mar 11 2011, 03:54 AM Post #18 |
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Amoratae Dea Augusta
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I'm not certain which career fields get to take it other than the obvious ones and certainly not mine. |
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| DeSchaine | Mar 11 2011, 06:07 AM Post #19 |
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Mostly pilots, Rangers, GB's, some infantry groups that are designated as special operations support. Thats all I know of. |
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| rarier | Mar 11 2011, 09:22 PM Post #20 |
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SIR!! I most certainly did not vacation in Sand Hilton... I went to a real training program in Harmony Church. Sand Hilton had been re-opened for only a short time when I arrived at Ft Beginning in April of '83...Translation: I was at the WW2 barracks area that has been closed for decades now... and Ft Beginning is an infantryman's name for Ft Benning. SERE... I stumbled into the gig. Being a (now non-jumping) grunt in 3ID wasn't 'enough'... so I finagled myself into the scout platoon via transport platoon. (I cut a deal, 90 days driving for Scouts afterward)... We got a new Bn CO who, for some insane reason, hated scouts... lazy, useless... anyway. He sent the entire platoon to French commando school. We drew the SERE phase and since we were very cohesive it wasn't hard to get through. While there we made nice with some Brits (only other English speakers present) and literally before we returned to our Bn we had an invite to attend (again as a group) some AT training in Scotland. We went... it was far more challenging than FCS. After that we went 'home' to find we had a brand spankin' new Brigade CO who loved his shiney new toys... Us. "Gentlemen, and I hope that's a loose use of the word, what I want is a SERE school right here in Aburg. I want an entire brigade trained in SERE. For that I need instructors and you're it." Packed our shit & headed to Ft Bragg (and Camp McCall) to be certified by the beanies who normally run the toughest SERE training we had. Came back and spent alot of time over the next several years running troops through the course. That's how I ended up teaching SERE... DeSchaine is right though. Mostly its for SpecOps types like Rangers, Green beanies and hard assed grunt groups like 10th Mountain. It was only after our course that it became mandatory for RSTA units... partly 'cause they didn't exist before that. We were a prototype... so to speak. |
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