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| Demoness | Jul 23 2011, 05:26 PM Post #91 |
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Amoratae Dea Augusta
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Reminder: My decision about the Econ Committee is suspended until I see at least two responses, either via PM or in the linked thread, stating that you are at least discussing it to your satisfaction. It does not have to be resolved. However, if I don't receive an update by Sunday at 11 PM EST, I will assume the committee is effectively defunct as I have conflicting information from the chair and committee members. |
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| Demoness | Jul 24 2011, 07:38 PM Post #92 |
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Given the information I've received, I'm extending the suspension until Wednesday at 11 PM EST. At that point, I need a decision made. I want to hear from everyone who has responded but especially those who still have complaints; I want those resolved before I make a decision. I think the Econ Committee has potential, but I have been disturbed by what people do and do not perceive is happening. I've more or less made a decision about the rest of the committees and following the decision about the Econ Committee I'll post an announcement. The committees will continue to exist with a different focus. |
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| Demoness | Jul 27 2011, 01:26 AM Post #93 |
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Ok, frankly, I'm having about half a dozen conversations right now about committees and the discussion has stagnated here. A few of my ideas got shot down while discussing them and I'd like some feedback.
EDIT: Made it easier to read. Edited by Demoness, Jul 27 2011, 01:37 AM.
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| Xosaia | Jul 27 2011, 01:34 AM Post #94 |
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Hmm, now I feel bad for spamming you with my recent technical difficulties... I expect the committees to do the roleplay-infrastructural work I don't want do, such as showing me how to make my military if I need help, and provide moderation when necessary. I expect to have to do a lot of work for other people that I don't necessarily want to do if I'm on a committee. I feel that some committees have either died or become infected with ooc-political-crap. I think the committees need to be more mindful of who they let in. I have yet to officially quit a committee. |
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| Zelensgart | Jul 27 2011, 07:00 PM Post #95 |
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I think I basically agree with what Xosaia said there. I also think that having a clear decision on what the role of the committees is and what they should and shouldn't be doing might help improve things. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 28 2011, 12:58 AM Post #96 |
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Granted I've been gone for a while, but I believe this is entirely accurate. *Goes back to reading more of the thread* |
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| Deleted User | Jul 28 2011, 01:41 AM Post #97 |
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Is this 'resource map' Xosia mentioned up as of yet? If so, might I see it, so I know what Kyrkberg has? If not, I'd like to make a handful (5) resources for Kyrkberg. Kyrkberg = Z50, for those who don't know |
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| Florinthus | Jul 28 2011, 04:01 AM Post #98 |
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Resident Comic Relief
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I expect the committees to gather information from individual nations and provide information gleaned from the information given to them. For instance, the war comt. could read what people have posted regarding their military, or even ask them, and take that info and use it to produce a list of the most advanced military nations, the most advanced weapons, etc. This could also be used by the economics comt. whee they recieve information and infer what that information equates to. If your government is communist, your probably not going to have as strong an economy as a free-er nation. I see that as their job. Recievin info and interpreting it so we don't have to search through factbooks to find what their freaking military is like. These rankings could have no weight at all if we wanted, and could be products of AA enquiries and studies. I expect a lot of work if I'm on a committee. I also expect to hold myself in a higher standard of integrity. Im interpreting what I'm given, not what my OOC stereotypes and rivalries or my own ambition dictate. With great power comes great responsibility, and if someone fails to respect their own responsibilites, then they need to be dealt with as accordingly. I don't take well to bullshit in things like this, because it's a game. If I wanted that I'd stay in real life. I feel the committees forgot their purpose and tried to do their own thing, and that was their downfall. If I want to be a tier five then let me be a tier five for the sake of Pete. Does it really matter what tier you or anyone else is in? Really? I'm sure there are more than a few people who don't want economically dominant nations. After all, this is a role play region and the last thing I want to hear when I'm being creative is "sorry, your diesel powered mechs aren't feasible for your nation. Promptly remove them." (I don't know of that's what really happens but I do want diesel powered mechs eventually) I tried to make positives and negatives about Florinthus as best as I could.How could the committees be improved? Streamline them big time. Remove the incentive. The incentive is that you are helping other people have fun and enjoy Alterra, which is WAY more of a big deal then some fancy color font. We need to reinforce exactly what a committee is and isn't supposed to do, so there is no argument to have. Have a three strike system, if someone overextends themselves, warn them. Second time, warn again and warn them of the consequence, three strikes, as we say in my country, "you're out!" if they continue to whine about the consequences of their mistake, then give them a spell off the forum. I don't want to seem harsh, but apparently is a bit of an issue. If I'm not mistaken isn't it a mods job to tell me what I'm doing isn't realistic or not? Why is a committee trying to do a committees job and a mods job? Then neither job gets done well and no one is happy. If I'm mistaken let me know, but that's what I've gathered so far. I don't feel like I have the experience yet to join a committee, let alone quit one. Sorry for being kinda rough and jerkish, but I really have little patience for authority figures forgetting their place. I really do respect the committee members for the work that they do and I will repect them even more if they get this figured out. But if we can't figure it out, then nix the committees completely. I would rather have no committees then dysfunctional ones. Edited by Florinthus, Jul 28 2011, 04:02 AM.
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| Demoness | Jul 28 2011, 04:33 AM Post #99 |
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Thank you to everyone who gave their input (and please, still give it). Because I'm still waiting to hear back on a few issues, I'm delaying the official announcement again and I am honestly trying to incorporate your guys' suggestions. I definitely want to get the OOC bullshit out of there because we are supposed to be helping and there's no room for that when you're helping. I am also removing incentive because talking to most of you (luckily) I get the impression you want to do it because it's fun and not to have a power trip. That said, I am going to be expecting more from committee members in order to make the committees work. It will be more responsibility with essentially no "power" with a few exceptions - like DeSchaine because frankly, I know he knows what he's talking about with military. Everything else - like if you could have diesel mechs - would hopefully work more toward making it work rather than just pointing at the idea and immediately saying no. I will say that at this time I am not eliminating any committees, but I am reducing the numbers to a more focused group and I hope to increase communication between committees more than there have been. Personally, I have kicked people off the RP committee for not being active and I hope that after this rearranging that won't happen. The base outline is that I am giving three months to all committees to get the majority of their work done; if they don't, then they are either not motivated enough or are unnecessary and will be disbanded. The ones that do should only have maintenance to accomplish afterward, like updating information. I honestly don't want to be too harsh because this is a game and the committees are supposed to be fun as well, but I've seen limited progress from some committees and with my own, we started out strong and then kinda floundered. I hope it gets corrected and we're able to pull Alterra from its slump in the process. I know some people have already been motivated by this review, so I'm excited to see what happens. |
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| Amarek | Jul 28 2011, 05:12 AM Post #100 |
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1. What do people expect from the committees? I expect the committees to be more of a backstage presence, and not take a role that requires them to be at the front of the pack. I'd compare committees to Congress while the moderators are the police, those who create and those who enforce. 2. What do people expect if they are on the committees? I expect everyone to know what they're getting into and to take responsibilities for their actions. I expect no whining or complaining, just simple discussion with the occasional debate that yields results. 3. Where do you feel the committees failed? I don't believe it was entirely their fault. It's summertime, which is notorious for being a gigantic lull in all internet activity, especially certain online games like NS. The committees took the hardest hit from this lull, causing stagnation in their individual processes (combined with a general lack of interest in Econ, as the only thing we were focused on was patents). 4. What do you think would improve the committees? Shrinking the lists. Getting it down to a few dedicated members in each (without too much overlap, if at all possible; there's such a thing as being stretched too thin) and making it more difficult to get into committees. Combining the committees into one giant law-writing body could possibly improve things, or it could make things worse, depending on the members of this committee. 5. If you were a member of a committee and quit, why did you do so? I didn't quit. I didn't have the time to think about it before change was set into motion. If I had, it would've been because I didn't like the direction the committee was going in (which I was close to doing). |
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I tried to make positives and negatives about Florinthus as best as I could.
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