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| Fenwick | Jul 18 2011, 03:08 PM Post #11 |
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I am just calling you out as throwing a public tantrum. "They won't let me into the club so they all need to go!" Boo hoo. The quality of staff increases from elections? What? Quality of staff increases from choosing from members who have contributed and make an effort to maintain order and discipline, not from popular opinion on the flavor of the week. Getting staff positions for recruiting other than being the head of the recruiting committee? Absolutely not. Just because you can convince people to come to your region doesn't mean you can properly maintain order. So since Skye is gone because of RL issues, you want to overthrow her seat and impose your own order. Got it. And committees moderating godmoding doesn't work when the chairs godmode. ![]() |
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| Leraq | Jul 18 2011, 03:10 PM Post #12 |
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You just watch. A lack of OOC politics will only bring our downfall. No region automatically recruits, none keep things in order 'by themselves' OOC politics are necessary to survive, let alone function. In my opinion we need this change to survive. But its up to you. Keep what you've got if you have faith in that. I don't and that's why I'm posting now. I personally think Skye will be more pissed off if she logs on and finds Alterra destroyed, than a shift in the political system where she has to say hi to different staff |
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| Florinthus | Jul 18 2011, 03:14 PM Post #13 |
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Resident Comic Relief
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Who said It was destroyed? Ive brought in 3 people from real life, Rimdalv, Austinidad, and Leebtopolis. Mind you they aren't totally in gear yet, I still have to show hem the ropes, but it's a start. Did I do this because of incentives? No. I did this because I have fun here and I want others to have fun. You sit under a raincloud too much, friend. |
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| Leraq | Jul 18 2011, 03:27 PM Post #14 |
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Well then; you can sit back and enjoy the ride but its undoubted *** is gonna go down. Activity is slumping, and I haven't seen any positives for months. I guess only people who actually think we have a problem will be in support of this; because that's the only point it becomes a concern that our staff aren't actually getting into gear and sorting out the situation! @Fen; whatever you think about me I really couldn't care less. I just ask everyone else looks beyond me and at the bigger picture. I have tried my hardest to show there is no personal motive here. Please trust me! I am only here to see this through. Quality of staff? Of course it improves! By telling the staff they won't have a nice colour for long unless they get off their arse and do something, affairs might actually be sorted out. Moreover elections mean only the people who the community think are good get in making the decision more balanced and more likely to be representative. Edited by Leraq, Jul 18 2011, 03:42 PM.
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| Yasutomi | Jul 18 2011, 03:33 PM Post #15 |
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Leraq, my concern is that you want to make Alterra more like the majority of other NS regions, with elected governments, OOC politics and an emphasis on recruitment and alliances with other regions. And that's fine...if that's what you're trying to be. But that's not what Alterra is about. Alterra's main selling point- the very reason why certain people come to us rather than to all those other regions- is because we are a RP REGION. And good RP regions are very, very rare. My feeling is that the quality of RP isn't currently sufficient to keep good RPers motivated and that's why we're having a slump in activity. And so my solution is to find a way to make the RP more interesting and rewarding. Yes, we need some recruitment; yes, we need some management. But ultimately our purpose is RP and so any 'incentives' should be IC. One thing I have learned in my time with NS, and online communities in general, is that once you start making things a chore with quotas and regulations then people will leave, because this is supposed to be fun and not an unpaid second job. I think Alterra has lost its way. I think too many people are interested in being important OOC instead of actually playing their nations. I'm here to have fun RPing. I'm not here to be lectured about godmodding or realism or told what I can and can't play. Yes, it's unfortunate that Skye isn't around but it sounds as though she has rather more important things to think about than Alterra. Now we can either pull together, try to work out some compromises that will keep us all happy or we can continue to argue and bicker like this and Alterra will fall. |
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| Florinthus | Jul 18 2011, 03:38 PM Post #16 |
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Resident Comic Relief
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Ride the wave indeed. Allow me to interpret that quote. Waves do indeed go down. But then what happens? It inevitably goes back up. Yes things will be hard for a while, but live moves on. We'll live. Once you get a base of supporters then we can truly debate. I feel right now that this isn't quite a debate, it's a little too personal. Leraq, if you really want more recruits, you should do it. Edit: ^^^this is what I support. Better RP will attract people on it's own Edited by Florinthus, Jul 18 2011, 03:40 PM.
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| Fenwick | Jul 18 2011, 03:40 PM Post #17 |
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Like I said, I might take your push to restructure the moderators more seriously if you hadn't just had an application to be a mod shot down. I'm with Florinthus on this. There is almost always a decline in activity on forums in the summer months. Seeing as how most of the population is from the northern hemisphere, that tracks to me. Most of our staff today are staff because in the beginning they did go out of their way to do things as casual members. Dee still reads every thread and post. Hell, I'm expecting a royal ass chewing when she gets home and sees my hand in this. Without knowing precisely what's going on in Skye's life right now, I'm not going to call her on it. For instance, if one of my parents were in the hospital dying, I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time coming here. Once again, the Moderators are here to police the population. You don't get that job because you're popular, you get it because you show maturity and the ability to maintain order. |
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| Leraq | Jul 18 2011, 03:40 PM Post #18 |
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@Fen: I am sorry you can't take this proposition seriously, but I was actually unaware my application had been shot down until just now. I also didn't apply to be a mod, I offered to sacrafice a position on another region to give the time to seeing through my plans for helping us. In return I asked for the comparable role I would be giving up, a mod, as I perfer this community (or did...) I understand fully where you're coming from and largely support what you're saying. I found in my Praxein debate I was lectured to about realism, and that was done by a core of OOCly powerful nations; who I couldn't refuse. I want to make sure OOC power falls into the hands of people who will care for our RP, and not make a pain from Alterra. For this reason, yes Fenwick, I would like to see some staff who wield OOC power, maybe unknowingly to the upset of other nations like myself Prismos and Anu-Asiya, loose a few votes. OOC politics are needed: even the most naive players can surely see recruiting has to be done to keep our RP alive. It has died due to a lack of new member spirit! Considering they are needed I just ask that members of our community see that the way to avoid them interfering, as they are now, is to ensure they are to a high standard and proficient. This republic system in my opinion is the way forward... As for this bickering killing us, I see it the other way round, without we will surely fail! Edited by Leraq, Jul 18 2011, 03:53 PM.
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| Yasutomi | Jul 18 2011, 04:01 PM Post #19 |
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Considering that several new players have recently joined, eager to RP with us...I'm not sure I can agree with this conclusion. Something else has also occurred to me. I had a chat with Dae last week, via PM, in which I got the impression that she isn't terribly happy with things at the moment. I'm not happy either. And you're certainly not happy! So I'm starting to wonder if anyone is happy with the situation in Alterra. Instead of pointing the finger and making this a 'them against us' contest, perhaps we all need to sit down, work out why we aren't having as much fun as we should and then do something about it.
Whatever floats your boat, leraq. But I'm not here to bicker, and if this is what Alterra is going to be like then I'm going back to NS Europe, where RP is taken seriously. In fact, if I wasn't going on holiday in a week's time, I'd seriously consider starting my own, dedicated RP region.
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| Fenwick | Jul 18 2011, 04:04 PM Post #20 |
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Let's take a look at that from another view. Just because I'm a department manager at Lowe's and get a part time job at Blockbuster doesn't mean that if I offer to quit Lowe's they'll make me a Store Manager at Blockbuster. If anything, I'd probably not offer that person any higher position for a while because of their willingness to toss their loyalty at the drop of a hat. Maybe if you helped enact some of the changes you'd like to see through recruiting, urging others to do so, proposing RPs, etc instead of calling on the board to fire the admins....
Or that. Edited by Fenwick, Jul 18 2011, 04:05 PM.
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but its undoubted *** is gonna go down. Activity is slumping, and I haven't seen any positives for months. 
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