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| Florinthus | Jul 18 2011, 10:16 PM Post #31 |
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Resident Comic Relief
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I can say that more flexibility would be a bonus. I joined here on a whim and thought the open endedness was cool. I'm here to have fun, plain and simple. These kinds of things are kind of annoying to me, but there has been some progress here, and now I think we got past the personal feuds and can really hack at the real problem. Hell, I was first to post in support, but now that I have reviewed the opinions of other more experienced people, I think that this idea wouldn't be best for us right now. In the history argument, Florinthus technically doesnt exist yet, as i unfortunately requested a plot just after Skye left. But im sure i can fit my desires in with whatever history that is associated with H2. Thats the idea though, people need to be flexible, and allow for changes. Maybe we should just start over from scratch if we cant agree. Take some time off from the history and simply work on the present history. As for RP ideas, I really don't like a recession, because Florinthus is simply an economic nation. But there is plenty we could do. Heres some of my ideas: Another world war Some sort of massive celebration like centennial day or something A major disaster A nuclear threat Or maybe everyone could just join the world cup sorry I had to take that opportunity to advertise. But anyway, I think this is a big step towards solving it. To Leraq, even thouh your idea was shot down, you did something no one else has, brought up the white elephant in the room. It's not an easy thing and I can respect that.
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| Leraq | Jul 18 2011, 10:53 PM Post #32 |
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So, At last I see opinion on Alterra. Before I had no idea what people actually thought! I can see now that maybe stepping up OOC politics would be unhealthy, but by no means do I stand down on what I said. It is getting closer and closer to a point now we don't want to reach, where it will be too difficult to save Alterra. I still believe the Staff need to act. They are the ones who should be leading by example. We cannot wait for Skye forever. If she were here I am confident that action would be what she would advocate. I only begged for this election system because I am concerned those who lead us are going to just watch Alterra crumble. I personally find you all very amiable, and wish you the best, it's just my pessimistic personality made me doubt you. Most importantly I still beg for the community to recruit even if we now choose to run this informally. It is the only way we will be able to sustain this region. I also still believe there are problems, which need sorting, despite what other members have said here. The facts speak for themselves. Over concerns that I only launched this debate as I am power hungry, I hope you can see I do in reality only care for the prosperity of Alterra. Yes the timing of this thread was suspicious, but that is only because I panicked and really believed we have so little time to change the worsening state, I made a proposition for change to the staff, and they turned me down, so I turned here. In answer to those ridiculing me now. I have not backed down over to comply with crowds, I have proved in the past I stick by my guns through all criticism. A change of opinion is the only thing that sways me. That is why I'm so hated ![]() @Dee, I am sore that you turned my offer down. I genuinely thought I had what it took to assume the role; but none the less I will move on. Most importantly I do trust her to sort it out, even if she has failed up to this point. I'm sure the last thing you need now is my intervening character, so unless you really wish me to stay I will take a couple of weeks out to let you guys sort the situation. My help is, as I have seen, apparently not very useful for you, or indeed constructive. I'm sorry to have wasted your time. When I return I hope OOC will be under control and we can get back into RPing. |
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| Leraq | Jul 18 2011, 10:59 PM Post #33 |
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As for recruiting, this is a tool I find handy: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=0cb4c0db9a0db2bca2073ab37a237c82 Just remember you can only recruit from the pacifics, lazarus and the rejected realms. I know most of you know where to find the regional recruit telegram, if not just search, "recruit" |
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| Yasutomi | Jul 18 2011, 11:00 PM Post #34 |
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I think we needed to have this discussion and whatever else happens or is said, we needed someone to start it. It's certainly forced me to reconsider my own position and to face the fact that I'm really not happy at the moment. I've been in a lot of different regions over the years and trust me, Alterra is in a far better position than many of them are now! We just need to draw a line under past disagreements and learn to be honest and open with each other...there's really no sense in letting genuine concerns or problems fester.
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| Florinthus | Jul 18 2011, 11:04 PM Post #35 |
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Resident Comic Relief
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The breakfast club would be proud. *tear* |
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| Demoness | Jul 18 2011, 11:15 PM Post #36 |
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Amoratae Dea Augusta
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As this thread is four pages long, I don't really feel like addressing the finer points and sum up what I have basically seen (yet again): We are actually having an honest discussion, which is good. A lot people are upset that they have essentially been told how to run their countries, some people more than others. Part of the problem is the committees, which became less than stopping godmoding and more about controlling. As such, I will dissolve the committees and possibly just keeping chairs, depending on the committee and what actions they are supposed to take. God of War apparently is necessary whereas I'm fairly certain all of us know how to welcome a person. I will discuss with chairs what's going on. HOWEVER, Skye has been gone less than a month. She has personal issues and hasn't been seen on the board since 28 June. This is in fact STILL panicking as if you feel Alterra will fall apart tomorrow. This discussion has pointed out that it probably won't. I will review the mods as well, take into account activities, etc. I have been getting no answer from some people despite bringing this up before. People are also upset about histories and geography. It IS supposed to be cooperative and there has been a surprising lack of cooperation as far as history is concerned. I will reiterate it several times: you have the right to ask neighboring nations to work with you about their history. That said, I think we need to look into historical colonies and possibly get rid of them as several nations, myself included, have an abundant amount of colonial land. As far as geography is concerned, I believe that idea has fallen by the wayside. Resources were controlled at one point because of godmoding fears, I think that is something that can be taken care of as it comes. As for a world-wide event, we have been kicking the idea about in the RP committee, but the problem seemed to be deciding what was best and how to go about doing it without seeming like we were dictating. Among the ideas were a large earthquake and an asteroid threatening Alterra. See where the potential problems are? I don't really like the idea of a recession, but as I've said several times I simply don't find the economy interesting. |
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| Amarek | Jul 19 2011, 12:34 AM Post #37 |
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The fact that no one likes the recession idea is fine, it was simply the first example of an Alterra-wide RP that came to mind. I am personally happy to see -something- happening, and happy to see that we can have a genuine discussion without going at each other's throats. I don't really think moderators need changing, they simply needed someone to light a fire under them to help us get this place going. And no one lights a fire in this region quite like Leraq does. So I agree with Yasutomi in saying this discussion needed to happen. I have to say I'm especially glad for the change in the committees. Such things are helpful in the initial foundation, but over time they begin to become slow and tedious, thus those who are in the committee become overdecorated members, this is especially true for the committee chairs when this occurs. I had another idea to boost RP. We are shooting for realism in Alterra, quite a few people support this, but there are some who don't so much like the idea of oppressive creativity. Now, for some time now Alterra has thrown around this idea of a folklore known as the Age of Myth, a very different time from today, a time when just about anything you could imagine could happen. My idea is simply to create an RP section for the Age of Myth, as that alone could bring in a whole different group of RPers initially unattainable. It would naturally have to be some order, but the standards could be a bit more lax for this section. Just another idea to toss around. |
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| DeLux | Jul 19 2011, 12:53 AM Post #38 |
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The Dominion of Lux de Bestias
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I am working on a proposed set of guidelines for the Age of Myth as I also had a desire to open it up for RP. The idea is to leave it open but keep it from being abused, such as creating some form of advanced tech that is buried and then later "discovered" by your present day nation and used to gain unfair advantage. @fenwick - I'm sorry...what is this "sleep" you speak of?
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| Raz | Jul 19 2011, 01:06 AM Post #39 |
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Ruler of The Republic of Vantel
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Indeed, why are people freaking out that shes only been gone for a couple of weeks? I wouldn't be so quick about disbanding the committees though, we need to disband the useless or stupid ones, Econ should pretty much fall under what resources you get and the associated terrain which would dictate the population and the ability to have industry. Welcoming is pointless but maybe should be replaced with recruitment. The others, I'd say, are fine. Yes, I was going to PM you about that but I guess there's no need. I thought we had agreed sometime in the past that the world needed realism for resources or else there would be a horrible amount of Godmodding, I agree about the historical part. |
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| Amarek | Jul 19 2011, 01:27 AM Post #40 |
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As a rule, anything that happens in the Age of Myth should not really reflect on the Present Day Nation. Essentially, AoM is an alternate world to Alterra, and your nation in AoM is separate from Present Day Alterra. This would mean a little more information would need to be put in a nation's factbook for the AoM, but I don't recommend we make it necessary (unless they plan to RP in AoM, because really if you plan to RP, you need to set up your characters). |
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sorry I had to take that opportunity to advertise. But anyway, I think this is a big step towards solving it. To Leraq, even thouh your idea was shot down, you did something no one else has, brought up the white elephant in the room. It's not an easy thing and I can respect that.






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