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| Etat Libre Esprit | Jan 2 2013, 11:19 PM Post #1 |
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Okay, I could not think of any other place to do this, however I think this is important to discuss, this is somehow related to the population size discussion currently going on. However to create a more realistic nation, I think it is key to discuss the process of how your government (if any government exists) services its people. when replying to this, think about this: we all live in our respective nations in RL, if you were a citizen in your nation on Alterra, what would you expect your government to work like? what kind of administrative processes are there and how do these affect the lives of the daily population. this might be a lot of information to write down, so if in the begining you have just a little information I think this will be helpful, this will also allow new nations that have joined to look and see how for instance a communist government works. it will also be interesting to see how players structure their governments in Alterra, where there is no RL equivalent to work from, for instance, ELE is a absolute monarchy, it is a large nation, however no country in RL exists where an Absolute monarchy controls a country that size, in fact I think there are only a handful of nations that still are absolute monarchies and they are very very small. So I hope the mods agree to this little topic as I think it is interesting, it wont help so much in RP, but might have a role in the formation of treaties and economic links, this will also help nations that think alike to work together to create a more "unified" thinking in Alterra, not that I am saying that this is by any means something you MUST use, it might give you ideas on how to structure your government |
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| Lomarre | Jan 2 2013, 11:25 PM Post #2 |
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I wouldn't call Saudi Arabia "small". xD But you're right. My idea of an average citizen of Lomarre is a bit like living in the 1910's Austria-Hungary and Germany. The Monarchy is at a strong point, yet the average people live normal life styles. The Monarchs control much of the nobility, and the Nobility controls the people. It's an Administrative Monarchy. Duke makes a law, Nobles accept, Nobles put law into place. Each County is ruled by a Count/Countess Each Barony is ruled by a Baron/Baroness Judicial system is very modern. One Judge. 7 Members on the jury. If the jury is Unanimous, they can overrule the judge. Capital Punishment is still in place. Abortion is being judged by the Nobility council. Edited by Lomarre, Jan 3 2013, 01:53 AM.
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| Canusia | Jan 3 2013, 12:01 AM Post #3 |
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Closest real life equivalent might be the USA in the early 1800s as far as government goes. The Canusian government garners taxes sales, imports, small taxes on businesses, but no income tax. The federal government is set up so that political parties can't really get started, since each state has equal say in everything, and even the two branches of the military have a say in things. Each State runs things the way they want to with much the same system but on a smaller scale. Business is only regulated in terms of making sure they don't make dangerous products, and actually pay their employees, but overall the free market system keeps businesses in check, since people are always able to shop somewhere else if they don't like the business practices or prices. Still working on specifics of everything, but overall the government is very small, doesn't spend more than they take in, doesn't borrow money from other countries, and generally stays out of everybody's lives if they're not needed (like anybody can marry whoever they want, doesn't enforce a minimum wage, and the calorie content of fast food is only the business of the customer) edit: passports can be gained through the nearest DMV or Foreign Affairs office, or even at the courthouse. And among other things, big offices that you have to be elected for all have term limits. That means that there are no career politicians, which prevents more long-term plans to stay in power such as 'pork' spending and lame duck politicians. They simply go in, do what they're elected to do, and then they go back to their lives. Edited by Canusia, Jan 3 2013, 01:54 AM.
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| Etat Libre Esprit | Jan 3 2013, 12:05 AM Post #4 |
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thats a perfect way to start! but for instance, if lets say an average Lomarrian citizen wants to apply for a passport or other documents etc. How does the monarchy control that? you see I just dont want a RP for instance like a spy RP where the spy has to find something or do something with the government, and then half way into the RP we run into a problem becasue of some earlier faux pas with the way your government works For instance, in ELE the Ministry of Intellegence controls all internal affairs, I still need to put up a detailed post on how that works, but essentially the king chooses a minister, that minister is then responsible to ensure that it runs its things porperly, like the recording of births and deaths and marriages. however the fabric that ties all that into play is still important... lol I think I am getting a bit too technical here.... @canusia I like that type of detail, its a good start! and is wonderfully rich information if we want to do a realistic RP that might be set in your nation Edited by Etat Libre Esprit, Jan 3 2013, 12:07 AM.
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| Mistlight | Jan 3 2013, 01:42 AM Post #5 |
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Okay, Mistlight is an absolute monarchy in the sense that the Prince can give orders and they are Law. However, in the day to day ruling of the state that is impractical, so the country is run by the Privy Council, think the cabinet of parliament. Each councilor has an area of responsibility, such as the Lord Admiral is in charge of ports, shipping etc, assigned by the Prince and tradition. There is also parliament, which has the ability to discuss laws and to suggest them to the Privy Council (but cannot pass laws), and the provincial stewards. The provincial stewards are mostly involved with the taxation and judicial oversight of their areas. Besides the government, there is also the bureaucracy. The various departments answer to the Privy Councilors, and through them to the Crown. Most citizens interaction with the governmental machine is with the beaucracy, or with the Mistlight Medical Corps. The MMC is the armed service that Mistlight uses as its universal healthcare service (a historical quirk dating from the civil war, it has resisted all attempts to become a civilian organization). Justice is trial before a group of 5 jurors, at the lowest level 3 elected and 2 appointed, but at higher levels it gets more complicated (more in my factbook). If you want a passport, apply at the local Department of the Interior. |
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| Xosaia | Jan 3 2013, 04:48 AM Post #6 |
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I have a ridiculously complicated flowchart on my laptop, but I've never posted it because it's not finalized and it's ridiculously complicated. |
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| Lomarre | Jan 3 2013, 11:20 AM Post #7 |
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That's called dedication. Well done. xD |
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| Demoness | Jan 4 2013, 12:33 AM Post #8 |
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Mine's all in my head... I think it would take me a long time to actually outline how the government works and interacts with its people because the way the culture works makes what is written down different from what happens. There is an understanding. Demoness is probably semi-socialist as well as capitalist, absolute as well as limited democratic, and wholly contradictory. In all honesty, it probably wouldn't work anywhere but on paper. Even examining the Clans' place within society brings up how complicated it can be. |
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| Amarek | Jan 4 2013, 02:15 AM Post #9 |
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Ever been to D.C.? |
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| Canusia | Jan 4 2013, 02:17 AM Post #10 |
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/rimshot I don't think these have to be perfect. Don't think anybody expects us to structure entire governments down to the most basic bureaucrat. |
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