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| The Swine | Apr 11 2011, 09:51 PM Post #1 |
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I used to be a member of the EDL but left recently due to its stance on supporting Israel.I still support the EDL in some areas such as opposing extremists like MAC but do not agree with some of the areas it has drifted into.The EDL came into existance due to the vile demonstration by MAC in Luton in 2009.If Muslims had dealt with this cancer there and then the EDL wouldn't exist.MAC are still at it despite being banned.Does this sort of thing really represent your religion? http://www.muslimsagainstcrusades.com/ I have known Muslims since the sixties and know full well the majority are not like the members of MAC But I am slightly perplexed as to why ordinary Muslims are not more vocal about these people.They are the lunatic fringe of Islam but do tremendous harm and stir up the worst emotions in people.They also help to sell newspapers and spread the message of hate. I have many questions to ask and hope I can get some answers. BTW,the username isn't intended to cause offence.It was the name I used on the old EDL forum and I think its only fair that you know who you are speaking to. |
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| UK_Muslim | Apr 11 2011, 10:04 PM Post #2 |
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Welcome to the Forum. Muslims have been vocal against MAC for many years. It surprises me that the government don't do more and still allow these idiots to run around spreading their filth......much like the EDL I suppose. I think most people know that MAC do not represent Islam but unfortunately, both the media and the EDL give these guys the publicity they crave. |
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| The Swine | Apr 11 2011, 10:10 PM Post #3 |
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The EDL was an emotional reaction to an emotional event.It could have been nipped in the bud by creating a new law banning all protests at military parades but the powers that be have become crippled by politcal correctness and haven't got the will to act. |
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| UK_Muslim | Apr 11 2011, 10:14 PM Post #4 |
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Spot on. I couldn't agree more. |
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And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." Surat Al-`Ankabūt [29:46] Follow me on Twitter | |
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| Compatriot | Apr 12 2011, 12:04 AM Post #5 |
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Hi Mate nice to hear from you: There are a few reasons i can think of in response to why a stronger message is not being heard from mainstream Muslims. Firstly the concerted efforts of the various mosques and centres up and down the country in refuting MAC are insignificant due to the massive disproportionate media coverage the likes of MAC & Anjem Choudhry gets from a single interview/stunt. For this reason the message from mainstream Muslims is going unheard but this does not mean it doesn’t exist. Many websites and forums have talked on these issues but they don’t have the same impact or audience that MAC enjoys through its publicity stunts. Another reason is many mosques are ill equipped and lack any PR skills to make the simplest of gestures in condemning the actions of MAC. I would put some of the blame for this on the mosques them selves as some cultural sufi mosques would unfortunately spend tens of thousands on fancy decorations but not on programmes to counter extremism or on PR. |
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| The Peace Professor | Apr 12 2011, 04:47 AM Post #6 |
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Hi & welcome to the forum!!! It would be most interesting so see what questions you have for us & hope we do justice to your questions from our answers! I would like to address 1 thing the Muslims have been speaking out against extreemism well before the MAC/Al Mahjiroon demonstration but have not been given any attention! I suggest that you check out our Muslims aginst Extreemism section. Also here is a link to show Muslim out spoken action aginst Al Mahjiroon (MAC) in Luton! Click here for Link Edited by The Peace Professor, Apr 12 2011, 04:48 AM.
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| The Swine | Apr 12 2011, 01:26 PM Post #7 |
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Confronting Al Mahjiroon in Luton was a good start but you need to up the pressure.Perhaps a large march under the banner Muslims against MAC would go down well with the media? Look at it from this perspective.There was no real backlash against Muslims after 9/11 and 7/7 other than a few isolated incidents carried out by loners.Yet a few deluded people with banners shouting abuse at troops has unleashed an inferno.MAC brings out people's worst fears and is the new bogey man.The papers know this and print lurid headlines to play on people's fears.MAC are also dangerous and tend to suck in weak people who are easilly manipulated as we saw on the BBC 3 programme last week. The IRA were defeated when their own people turned against them.Muslims have got to do the same with MAC. I will post some questions this evening when I have a bit more time. I should also make clear that I am not a spokesman for the EDL and my views do not represent the organisation. |
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| Compatriot | Apr 12 2011, 02:03 PM Post #8 |
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Well said my friend but just to let you know in Luton the MAC have been forced to cease all their activities on the main high road which means they can't distribute their literature like they used to do... We've also taken steps to inform the local council owned community centres from hiring their venues to this lot and they have already been banned from preaching in every single mosque in Luton.... Some interlectuals have also written extensively to refute their futile and extreme ideology like the following book which is the latest in the series against MAC and their ilk. ![]() |
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| isa.jesus1 | Apr 13 2011, 04:25 PM Post #9 |
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Hi Welcome to the Forum Yes Muslims in Luton and other parts of UK are tackling the MAC virus in many ways check out the video below: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/jan/17/muslim-resistance-struggle-within-video Edited by isa.jesus1, Apr 13 2011, 04:32 PM.
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| The Swine | Apr 14 2011, 11:06 AM Post #10 |
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Interesting clip.They seem reasonable enough to me and a lot of non Muslims would agree with him in regard to the death penalty.I think the "moderate" Muslims are those who have lost their way and are stuck between two cultures.These tend to be the "jihadists" that the EDL end up fighting with.In truth they are kids who have been influenced more by black gangsta culture rather than religous teaching.I live in Leicester and we have the same problem with Hindu kids who are torn between two cultures.They do drugs,speak in a silly way and look up to black gangstas.I doubt if any of them go to a temple unless its for a wedding. |
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It would be most interesting so see what questions you have for us & hope we do justice to your questions from our answers! 

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