Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Answering The Extremists. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you will only be able to view topics. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Once you've registered, login and post in the INTRODUCE YOURSELF section and a Moderator will upgrade your account to allow you to post in other sections also.


CLICK HERE To Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
Hi
Topic Started: Apr 11 2011, 09:51 PM (695 Views)
lionsingh
No Avatar

Hi swine..remember you as well. Like you I abhor the right-wing nazis.

People join the EDL for many reasons, but the EDL is a street movement and something has triggered that... It is NOT basic racism... The far-right would like to take over..but dont have a chance.

I am certainly against Islam..not muslims.

we make the EDL
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The Swine
No Avatar

Hi Lionsingh,

I am not really against Islam as a religion.Provided Muslims realise that we live in a democracy and people are free to make choices then everything will be fine.The trouble starts when one group expects another to conform to its ways.

This country has only been Liberal in its outlook since the sixties,before that time it was very Conservative in its values.Women didn't have the vote until the early part of the last century,they were expected to cover themselves up in public,homosexuality was a criminal offence,the penalty for burglary was a flogging and the death sentence was in force until the mid sixties.Did we changed for the better?Possibly,but we also created a new set of problems such as lack of respect for authority,loose morals,and a me,me,me culture.We also replaced religion with a new cult that worships false idiols such as David Beckham.
Edited by The Swine, Apr 14 2011, 05:41 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
lionsingh
No Avatar

Hi swine... I know that also. But as you mentioned

"We also replaced religion with a new cult that worships false idiols such as David Beckham. " :saws

who says that was never the case ? God is one..he doesnt have to defend himself from fools... I love AC/DC rock and Gurdas Mann !!!

but we also created a new set of problems such as lack of respect for authority,loose morals,and a me,me,me culture

That has ALWAYS been the strength of democracy and our choice. Read Socrates about the youth !! I hate control and authority just as Jesus did. Morality is the herd instict in animals or those Mullahs that decide!!! Me me me is Thatcher maybe or Muslims .

We created what we as humans did and do. NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY EVER has allowed us to find our spirit and God as thus. Without us choicing God freely..he is just a slave master ;-)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
James Scott
Member Avatar
Moderator
Hi and welcome to answering EDL, I would love to call you by your name but I fear I may offend you. I would not be offended by your name because it just means the flesh of a pig! Now I don't eat that but if you choose to that's your choice and your freedom.

Now how was that for the so called 'intolerant Muslims who cannot integrate'

I hope I didn't offend anyone but I wanted to put a point across that we Muslims and our religion is the most tolerant to other religions. History has proved this.

Back to Muslim extremism, yes I agree with you mr or ms 'S' ( I hope you don't mind me' calling you s. We have been refuting. Challenging and exposing MAC since 1992 believe it or not. Here is summery of their history.

They started as Hizbu tahrir in 1992 with the self appointed iotollah Omar bakri as there leader. We had debates, arguments, we even stormed their meetings and in some cases had to knock a few of them out. That went on till around 1998 when the HT split and an offshoot came about called Muhajiroon which was lead by Omar bakari again and the HT turned political only. The redicule and evil that splurted from the mouths of Omar bakari and his babies were challenged and refuted by us, we again debated, argued, and exposed their deviance from main stream Islam.

From this point 1998 to 2001 they kept the name muhajiroon after they were banned they then took on names like salafiyah ( but they are the furthest away from true salafiyah which is the moderate way and respects other religions and calls to non violence). They also called themselves Islam4UK and now MAC.

So as you can see they had multiple identities. There is a book we authored exposing them and their beliefs called ' the multiple identities of al muhajiroon' I can arrange ti send you a copy if you would like.

Also just to let you know MAC are not the only ones upon this insulting methodology their are other Muslims groups or individuals but we have them locked down, when they raise their ugly heads we are quick to put our foot over them.

But as my collegues above have said it's all about the Media - good news is no news!

The owness is on the nonuslims to use their intellect as you have done and realize how can 2 billion Muslims in the world be extremist or hate non Muslims if that was so we would have witnessed a lot more 9/11 and 7/7.

Muslims are peaceful we want to live in peace. Another sly move of the extremist EDL is that they put the blame of the crimes (ie rapes, drugs, stabbings etc) committed by gangs of so called 'muslims' on the religion of Islam and on the good Muslims. If you were to ask those Pakistani, Indian or Bangladeshi gangs are u doing all this because you religion teaches so, they will be the first to deny that and as a matter of fact they will announce we are not representative of Muslims we are bad Muslims.

If you were to be sly like that we could blame all the pedo rings exposed by the media on chritianity/ jewdaism etc but we know no religon condones such attrocities.

Anyway that's my thoughts for now

Wish you all a good day
Edited by James Scott, Apr 15 2011, 08:02 AM.
Allah says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, indeed truth and guidance is made crystal clear from ambiguity and falsehood" TMQ - Chapter 2 verse 256. He most high and blessed also said: "Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold falsehood does perish! TMQ- Chapter 21 verse 18.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
James Scott
Member Avatar
Moderator
lionsingh
Apr 14 2011, 07:24 PM



That has ALWAYS been the strength of democracy and our choice. Read Socrates about the youth !! I hate control and authority just as Jesus did. Morality is the herd instict in animals or those Mullahs that decide!!! Me me me is Thatcher maybe or Muslims .

We created what we as humans did and do. NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY EVER has allowed us to find our spirit and God as thus. Without us choicing God freely..he is just a slave master ;-)
Well I don't mean to put a spanner in your works lionsingh and though I live in this democracy there is no harm in opposing it right? That's democracy I'm sure??. Just like the socialists and communists if they can point floors with this democratic system why can't we Muslims? Oh I forgot if Muslims point out the faults they must be MAC or extremists or militant Muslims or fundimentalists. You people have many names for us!! That's how unjust your EDL is bro!

So now when I expose the faults of democracy are you going to label me'?? Or will you read with an open mind??

Please answer lionsingh I don't want to waste 30 minutes of my time if it's just going to fly over your head.

On another note can I ask are you against Islam because you are a Sikh and you have been taught Muslims are barbarians mogals etc? Because I know some extreme Sikhs are taught this?

Waiting for your replies
Allah says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, indeed truth and guidance is made crystal clear from ambiguity and falsehood" TMQ - Chapter 2 verse 256. He most high and blessed also said: "Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold falsehood does perish! TMQ- Chapter 21 verse 18.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
« Previous Topic · Introduce Yourself · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2

Via Domus created by Steve of the ZetaBoards Theme Zone