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5th May 2012 Lies again from Tommy and his henchmen; The 5th May protest by EDL Tommy and Kevin both stood in front of all and splurged lies..lets break them down one by one
Topic Started: May 8 2012, 03:43 PM (509 Views)
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here is a list of lies i will add more when i get time..even though most of these lies have already been proved lies on this forum
I am preparing to refute these lies, scar mongering and islamaphobia attacks once again from different angles...watch this space..

1. Mohammed (s) had sex with a child, so all Muslim today have to follow his example!
2. The Quran explicitly says Muslims must kill, crucify, cut off the hands and feet of opposite sides of those who do not believe in Allah!
3. Islam is a 7th Century backward dogma!
4. Islamic Centre in Luton are extremists, Islamist
5. Qadeer Baksh sits in council meetings and with MEP's whilst he is an Extremist!
6. Muslim gangs beat up an autistic boy
7. another boy was beaten up by muslim extremists
8. Kevin has been chased with a sawed off shotgun
9. Tommy has ben beaten up and his life threatened many times!
10. A two tier system Islamic shariah is taking over UK
Allah says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, indeed truth and guidance is made crystal clear from ambiguity and falsehood" TMQ - Chapter 2 verse 256. He most high and blessed also said: "Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold falsehood does perish! TMQ- Chapter 21 verse 18.

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MashaAllah. Good Job Akhi. I thought i would join in too.

Stephen asks why Saif Ul Islam hasn't been arrested for slapping him. When, in the actual video Stephen Yaxley says that he won't press charges.

Yaxley asks why muslims in Luton don't oppose Saif Ul Islam. I think the admin of this Forum should put up the youtube video titled Mosque Wars. In this it is clearly depicted, Muslims kicking Al-Muhajaroon of the streets.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.
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Here is the link to Mosque wars which clearly shows how much we are against extremists:





Edited by James Scott, May 8 2012, 07:38 PM.
Allah says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, indeed truth and guidance is made crystal clear from ambiguity and falsehood" TMQ - Chapter 2 verse 256. He most high and blessed also said: "Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold falsehood does perish! TMQ- Chapter 21 verse 18.

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A Reply to the First Lie

The Lie
Mohammed (s) had sex with a child, so all Muslim today have to follow his example!

The Truth

The Prophet Mohammad (s) marriage to Aysha at a young age
A reply to the Islamaphobes

The marriage of the Prophet Muhammad to Aishah bint Abû Bakr when she was at a young age has been the focus of intense criticism in the West. Islamaphobes claim that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a pedophile, and that Islamic Law (Shari’ah), condones pedophilia by allowing marriage to children.

She was the daughter of Abû Bakr, one of the Prophet's closest friends and devoted followers. Abû Bakr was one of the earliest converts to Islam and hoped to solidify the deep love that existed between himself and the Prophet by uniting their families in marriage. The Prophet's marriage to Aishah was an exceedingly happy one for both parties, as she often attested during his life, and after his death.

Islamic Law (Shari’ah) does in fact allow some nine year old girls to be married. But as we shall prove in this leaflet, Jewish Law (Halacha) sets the minimum age of marriage at three years of age, whereas Christian Law asserts that the absolute minimum age of marriage is seven years old.

Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. Puberty as a biological sign shows that a women is capable of bearing children. Christians from a very early time criticized (again hypocritically) the Prophet's practice of polygamy, but not the marriage to Aishah, since according to them, nothing abnormal or immoral took place. It is "modern" Westernized Christians who began to criticize Muhammad on this point, not earlier “pre-Enlightenment” ones.

In this leaflet we will cite the Jewish and Christian Law from a theological standpoint. Then, we will establish the historical proof that Jews and Christians routinely married their daughters off at an extremely young age—younger than Aisha (peace be upon her). After having dealt with the Jewish and Christian criticism, we will shift our focus to the rest of the world, proving that marriage at such a young age was something considered normal in all ancient civilizations.
Jewish Marriage Practices
The Jewish website, Jewfaq.org, says: The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin [betrothal] can take place before that, and often did in medieval times. (JewFaq.org, http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm)
Also a man who marries off his sons and daughters near the period of puberty will receive the scriptural blessing: “you shall know that your tent is in peace” (Job 5:24), 101 evidently understood to mean that if one’s children were married, they would not succumb to sexual temptation” (Biale, 1997:p49-50)
Rabbi Naftali Silberberg states: “...In ancient (and not so ancient) times however, marriage was often-times celebrated at a rather young age. Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl may be engaged the moment she is born, and married at the age of three. [Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 37:1.] A boy may betroth and marry at the age of thirteen. [Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 43:1] (http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2488)
Mark E. Pietrzyk states: According to the Talmud, the recommended age for marriage is sometime after twelve for females, and thirteen for males. … However, a father was allowed to betroth his daughter to another man at an earlier age, and sexual intercourse was regarded as a valid means of sealing a engagement. According to the Talmud, “A girl of the age of three years and one day may be engaged by intercourse.” (http://www.internationalorder.org/scandal_response.html)
The minimum age for marriage according to the Christian law?
Although twelve was the general guideline, Christian fathers were allowed to marry their daughters off even before that. We read: “Medieval Christianity continued to maintain the age of twelve as a minimal age for females to enter into marriage. However, even this low age limit was not absolute. Using natural law logic, Catholic authorities argued that the decisive factor which determined a child's readiness for marriage and sexual relations was the onset of puberty, and not necessarily age as such. According to one Catholic scholar, “If it could be satisfactorily proved that puberty . . . was actually attained by the boy before the completion of his fourteenth year, or by the girl before the completion of her twelfth year, then . . . the party could enter upon a valid marriage.” (Mark E. Pietrzyk, http://www.internationalorder.org/scandal_response.html)
Age of Consent: A Historical Overview
Age of Consent throughout history has usually coincided with the age of puberty although at sometimes it has been as early as seven...The Roman tradition served as the base for Christian Europe as well as the Christian Church itself which generally, essentially based upon biological development, set it at 12 or 14 but continued to set the absolute minimum at seven. In the past century there has been a tendency to raise the age of consent but the reasons for the change have not always been clear and the issue has been further complicated by the reluctance of many contemporary historians to recognize what the actual age of consent in the past has been. This failure has distorted the importance of biology on age of consent in the past.
The table below shows the age limit in Age of Consent Laws in selected countries.
1880 1920 2007
Denmark 12 12 15
England & Wales 13 16 16
France 13 13 15
Portugal 12 12 14
Russia 10 14 16
Scotland 12 12 16
Spain 12 12 13
Canada 12 14 14
United States
Alabama 10 16 16
Arkansas 10 16 16
Connecticut 10 16 16
Delaware 7 16 16
Georgia 10 14 16
"Age of Consent Laws
," in Children and Youth in History, Item #24, http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

In England, in the 1880’s one could marry a girl aged 12. In Delaware, USA, the age was seven! So to solely focus on the Prophet Muhammad, and to ignore European practices is pure dishonesty. Remember, throughout many cultures and civilisations: Puberty = Maturity = Marriage.
(Age of Consent: A Historical Overview, http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=XH16E3FKBF7Q9P 3MKLPC82LUJNKC41U5&ID=87429)
The criticism of Muhammad's marriage to Aishah is something relatively new, in that it grew up out of the values of "Post Enlightenment" Europe. This was a Europe that had abandoned its religious morality for a new set of values where people used their own opinions to determine what was right and wrong.

Marrying girls at a young age – examples from Europe.
1. King Richard II, at the age of thirty, married a French princess named Isabella who was only seven years old at the time.
2. Mary Stewart married Henry VIII when she was only six.
3. Theodora Comnena was married off at the age of thirteen to King Baldwin III, who was more than double her age.
4. King Denis of Portugal married the twelve year old Saint Elizabeth of Portugal.
6. King Haakon VI of Norway married the ten year old Queen Margaret.
7. Count Agness of Essex was engaged at the age of only three years old and married off at the age of twelve to a man who was almost fifty years of age.
8. Prince Edward of Wales married the French king’s daughter, Isabella, who was only seven years old.
9. Romanos II married Bertha the daughter of the King of Italy, when she was only four years old.
10. Edward I married the nine year old Eleanor of Castile.
11. Richard of Shrewsbury, King Edward IV’s son, married the five year old Anne Mowbray of Norfolk.
We have firmly established the fact that marriage at or around puberty was the norm amongst ancient (and not so ancient) civilizations.
When is puberty?
Many factors have been reported to affect age at menarche and/or the regularity of menstruation—[such as] climate, altitude, race, height, weight, hereditary, stress/psychological factors, light, and nutrition.
There is a range, and this has been part of the problem of establishing the "normal" age of puberty. Girls might enter full-blown puberty anytime between ages 9 and 15. (LiveScience.com, http://www.livescience.com/health/070904_bad_puberty.html)
HealthTouch.com says: Puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls
So why did older men marry younger girls in the ancient days?
Ancient (and not so ancient) cultures used to prize virginity. That is why men used to marry girls as soon as they turned sexually capable, in order that they marry girls who have not been “defiled” by other men. On the other hand, girls favored socially well- established males; this meant that girls tended to favor elderly men, instead of financially struggling younger ones. This is why there was a huge age gap back in those days. Today, in the West men couldn’t care less about the virginity of their brides; in fact, most of them express interest in finding an “experienced” girl. Furthermore, whereas once society had valued age in males, now the older you are, the more chance you have of being accused of senility! And thus the age gap disappears. But this should be understood as a cultural trend, and not a moral fact of life. Yes, girls today are disgusted by the thought of marrying old men, but was the Biblical Hagar insulted at marrying the eighty-six year old Abraham? Was the ten year old girl fiancé of Saint Augustine disgusted by the thought of marrying a thirty plus male? Was the seven year old French princess disgusted by the thought of marrying a Christian King, Richard II? Far from it. All of these girls were very pleased with their marriages to such noble men, just as Aisha (peace be upon him) was pleased with her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad.
The Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aishah, viewed both in the light of absolute morality (i.e. God’s law) and in light of the cultural norms of his time, was not an immoral act. His enemies never would hesitate to criticize or attack him. Yet no one from the society at that time criticized this marriage due to Aishah's young age.
Is it not just that we judge him by the standard of his time and not the cultural norms of today? In any case, such a marriage is valid according to Jewish, Christian, and Islamic Law. As such, there is no issue.


Allah says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, indeed truth and guidance is made crystal clear from ambiguity and falsehood" TMQ - Chapter 2 verse 256. He most high and blessed also said: "Indeed, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold falsehood does perish! TMQ- Chapter 21 verse 18.

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Luton Islamic Centre refuting some of the lies that the EDL utter.

"Self knowledge is a dangerous thing tending to make man shallow or insane.(Which one are you)" [anonymous]
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2. The Quran explicitly says Muslims must kill, crucify, cut off the hands and feet of opposite sides of those who do not believe in God


Addressing a bunch of drunken racist bottle throwing yobs at the EDL demo on 5th May 2012, the charlatan EDL leader Tommy Robinson threw many accusations at Islam in order to appease his xenophobic followers.

As usual his rant didn’t make much sense and was full of lies and distortions.

A particular misconstrued allegation he hurled at the people of the Islamic faith was when he referred to a banner on the front of the Luton Islamic Centre that quotes a famous verse from the Holy Quran:

if anyone killed a person, it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. (Al-Ma'idah 5:32)

Tommy ‘the prick’ Robinson then went on to say that the verse following the one just mentioned talks about the true message of the quran and muslims which is to subjugate and persecute those people who fail to embrace Islam.

He proceeded to read out the next verse and emphasized to his drunken yobs that muslims are ordered to kill and crucify and cut off the limbs of those who do not accept this Islamic faith from opposite directions. He interpreted the word ‘mischief’ found in the verse to mean those who disbelieve in Islam and this lead to an outburst of anti Islamic chants from his skinheaded brain dead followers.

The fact is Tommy ‘the prick’ Robinson who can barely remember his own name is not qualified to speak about the interpretation of the verses of the Quran since he is poised to mix truth with the venom held in his heart against the Islamic faith and its people.

To arrive at the correct understanding of the verse in question we must refer to how it has been explained by the exegetists of the Quran, not by some street thug in charge of a bunch of extremely deluded losers (EDL).

The recompense of those who wage war against Allâh and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter. (Al-Ma'idah 5:33)

The famous Islamic exegetist Ibn Kathir explains this verse by saying:

“’Wage war’ means here oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the lands refers to various types of evil.”

He then uses another narration to explain what the understanding of Ibn Abbass a close compatriot of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was regarding this verse:

“Ali ibn Ali Talha said that ibn Abbas said about this verse: He who takes up arms in Muslim lands and spreads fear in the fairways and is captured, then the Muslim leader has the choice to have him killed, crucified or cut off his hands and feet.” [Ibn Kathir (abridged) vol 3, p163]

This correct understand of the verse 5:33 is far from how Tommy ‘the prick’ Robinson explained. Those who ‘wage war’ and cause ‘Mischief’ are commonly known as bandits or highway robbers that are armed with weapons and have no hesitancy to spill innocent blood for their own selfish needs. The Quran was revealed at a time when highway robbery was prevalent in pre-islamic Arabia. Stern punishments were required to eradicate horrific crimes perpetuated by highway robbers and to spread security so that all forms of life could flourish under Islam. In Muslim countries we can see the benefit of such penal laws to this day, where the occurrence of such violent robberies are considerably lower than in western lands.

Tommy ‘the prick’ Robinson in stark contrast to the true meaning of the verse wants the average English non muslim to believe in his twisted misunderstandings to create an atmosphere of distrust between the people of various faiths and the muslims in this country.

Muslims are extolled by their faith to live peacefully and gracefully with their fellow countrymen as was shown to us by the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alayhi wa sallam). A sincere look into his life and teachings will clearly show you this.

Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people seem bright until you hear them speak. ~Author Unknown
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