does DEX matter?

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does DEX matter?
Topic Started: Aug 18 2007, 02:30 PM (498 Views)
Technolink	Oct 5 2007, 02:33 PM Post #31
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	Bowjabber is a DEXless bowman, so that we can test the pKB formula.
	"Drawing" by Kev


Technolink	Oct 6 2007, 12:20 AM Post #32
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	Bowjabber's results are in. A total range of 19~29, which is EXTREMLY stable. Thus, I believe that the formula is infact DEX based. Look at Sap's strless, with only 6 more w atk he did over 70 more max damage. So, I think we should shoot for a DEX based formula, with 5~15% mastery (not .001% =P)
	"Drawing" by Kev


spiritrival	Oct 6 2007, 09:03 AM Post #33
Erk Posts: 1,779 Group: Super Mods Member #6 Joined: May 10, 2007	Technolink Oct 6 2007, 12:20 AM Bowjabber's results are in. A total range of 19~29, which is EXTREMLY stable. Thus, I believe that the formula is infact DEX based. Look at Sap's strless, with only 6 more w atk he did over 70 more max damage. So, I think we should shoot for a DEX based formula, with 5~15% mastery (not .001% =P) so that's who was on last night >.>



Russt	Oct 6 2007, 09:54 PM Post #34
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Bowjabber got owned =/ Alright, since MS is being mean to me, I'ma try out some formulas... (Oh and Ken, if you're reading this, I'm downloading Rakion -.-)
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Technolink	Oct 6 2007, 09:56 PM Post #35
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/467036/1#9120800 That thread gave me an idea. What if PKB is actually the % of your normal bow whack? I think this deserves some testing, or at least, we should design formulas that can be tested with 10% PKB (a normal bow whack).
	"Drawing" by Kev


Russt	Oct 6 2007, 10:37 PM Post #36
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Rephrase please? =/ I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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Russt	Oct 6 2007, 11:03 PM Post #37
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	For bows, (1.7DEX+0.5STR)/100ATKPKB% seems to fit nearly perfectly. This is, incidentially, exactly half the bow damage formula. Min damage seems to be (0.17DEX+0.5STR)/100ATKPKB%, which is half the min damage if mastery is 10%. But for crossbows, it doesn't work out the same if I use 1.8 as the DEX multiplier. EDIT: Gasp =O if I use 1.7 for crossbows also, it fits very nicely.
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KennethJay	Oct 7 2007, 01:12 AM Post #38
AGF Member Posts: 111 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: May 9, 2007	YAY, did you finish it? :o Add me (KENNETHJAY) of course XD



spiritrival	Oct 7 2007, 08:32 AM Post #39
Erk Posts: 1,779 Group: Super Mods Member #6 Joined: May 10, 2007	Sapphire8 Oct 6 2007, 10:37 PM Rephrase please? =/ I don't understand what you're trying to say. I think he's trying to say that Power Knockback will make the monsters fly back at the same rate a normal whack would.



Technolink	Oct 7 2007, 09:43 AM Post #40
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	No, I was saying that PKB is a multiplier of your normal bow whack dmg. Like, go up to a monster, press the atk key. If no mortal blow comes out, you do a bow whack WITH damage. Perhaps PKB is simply multiplying that dmg.
	"Drawing" by Kev


spiritrival	Oct 7 2007, 05:12 PM Post #41
Erk Posts: 1,779 Group: Super Mods Member #6 Joined: May 10, 2007	Technolink Oct 7 2007, 09:43 AM No, I was saying that PKB is a multiplier of your normal bow whack dmg. Like, go up to a monster, press the atk key. If no mortal blow comes out, you do a bow whack WITH damage. Perhaps PKB is simply multiplying that dmg. I thought we already ruled that out... Projected Damage - 114 ~ 715 Actual Damage - 113 ~ 711 So close :(



Technolink	Oct 7 2007, 06:21 PM Post #42
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	yea, but our projected formulas can be wrong? I'm going to find my PKB damage range, and my bow whack range and see whats up with em ...., crap, MB -_-
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Sum41	Oct 8 2007, 10:08 PM Post #43
The Annoyance Posts: 365 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: September 11, 2007	Technolink Oct 5 2007, 10:20 PM Bowjabber's results are in. A total range of 19~29, which is EXTREMLY stable. Thus, I believe that the formula is infact DEX based. Look at Sap's strless, with only 6 more w atk he did over 70 more max damage. So, I think we should shoot for a DEX based formula, with 5~15% mastery (not .001% =P) yay for bowjabber
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