Calculating KB for PKB

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Calculating KB for PKB; As soon as I can....
Topic Started: Oct 24 2007, 04:15 PM (576 Views)
Kevvl	Oct 24 2007, 04:15 PM Post #1
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	As soon as i'm able to get on MS again (maybe friday) I'm going to do a series of tests to see what the formula for PBK's KB rate is. I'll try it on monsters with various KB rates, as well as with bows that have different KB %'s... Hopefully i'll come up with something good ^^
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 09:01 PM Post #2
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Well.... I got back on MS today. First thing i did was test PKB. I tried with a 22% KB xbow; The lv 12 one =) Results on monsters with a KB rate of 1 : 60 Succesful KB's out of 100 Results on monsters with KB rate of 100 : 63 out of 100 Next I tried it with my 47% Golden Crow. Results on Monsters with KB rate of 1: 88 succesful out of 100 Results on KB of 100: 87/100 My conclusion so far: Power Knockbacks knockback rate is exactly what it says... KB rate of the bow + KB rate of PKB.... I can't believe no-one figured this out sooner =P
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Russt	Oct 25 2007, 09:07 PM Post #3
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Try on monsters with a KB of 1000.
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 09:07 PM Post #4
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	I'm on my way to ludi to do just that =)
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Russt	Oct 25 2007, 09:09 PM Post #5
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Err... stone golems? >_>
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 09:10 PM Post #6
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Well i need to MPQ after i'm done, and i happened to be in Vic when i started. So i traveled from Vic-Orbis-Ludi doing one set of tests in each =P
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Russt	Oct 25 2007, 09:21 PM Post #7
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Makes me think that it's similar to the accuracy formula, in that when you're higher than the monster's level, the pushback rate is <some formula>, and when you're lower than the monster, it'll lower your pushback rate. And it also seems like if you deal less damage than the monster's flinch rate, then your pushback rate % is used to make it flinch, and then again to push it back. Like, say you have a 80% pushback rate and your PKB doesn't do enough damage to flinch the monster, you have an 80% chance of flinch, and IF it flinches you have an 80% chance to pushback from there (so a 64% chance total to pushback).
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 09:27 PM Post #8
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Hmmm... More tests are needed, but if my test against Klocks works out the way my other tests did, than.... Yeaahhhh....
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Russt	Oct 25 2007, 09:38 PM Post #9
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Are you higher level than Klocks? Because if you are lower it might throw the test off.
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 09:49 PM Post #10
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	I am a lower level than klocks... so far i got 30/70 succesful for them... I'm going to run the test one more time...
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Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 10:30 PM Post #11
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	I think my first test on the Klocks was flawed; i had my friend there healing me, so he was KBing the klocks at times. Second test: 43 KBs / 57 Not i knew this wouldn't be easy =)
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Technolink	Oct 25 2007, 10:30 PM Post #12
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	kb value may or may now have to do with PKB kb. My theory: -Level -KB Percent -Their KB Value It probably will work like the acc formula. Perhaps we should take a look at it and use that for a base? BTW, we need to seriously find the PKB formula. I got one, 7% mastery -_-
	"Drawing" by Kev


Kevvl	Oct 25 2007, 10:31 PM Post #13
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Tomorrow i'm going to redo the klock test again, as well as try it out on Stone Golemns, to see if Level is a factor
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Russt	Oct 25 2007, 10:43 PM Post #14
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Well I really believe that if you eliminate monster's flinch level as a factor, the formula is simply Bow KB % + PKB KB %. In both of Kevvl's first tests, the monster's flinch level is lower than his PKB damage, and his level is higher than the monster. IMO, the monster's flinch level only applies if you hit below the flinch level.
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Technolink	Oct 25 2007, 10:46 PM Post #15
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	Its probably over level, just %+%, liek you said, prob also ignores flinch. Under, perhaps a fraction of your level over their level. Like (pkb%+(x)bow%)*(lvl/monser lvl). Gotta get more data. Least we got a minor breakthrough!
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