I really hate to say this...for bowmasters

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I really hate to say this...for bowmasters
Topic Started: Jan 15 2008, 12:39 AM (1,059 Views)
bluebomber2425	Jan 15 2008, 12:39 AM Post #1
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	Sigh, apparantly Hurricanes KB rate is absolute garbage, which is probaly why Hamstring may be VERY important in the future. Nevertheless, it takes a LONG TIME to just KB a Risell Squid. I would have to be about level 135 to have a 50% chance of KBing them and thats ONLY if points are put into Experise. Expertise controls pretty much all of the KB power for SoA, because with level 30 SE and SoA I would only have a 5% chance of KB. This means for early levels Hawk is a very good skill to have. Otherwise, you would have to resort to a aggro-puppet-hurricane strategy, wich would take more time compared to Hawk. Sigh this means. You definatley would have to get 21+ Hawk to be reliable. Sigh, MB is important Hawk is important Inferno is important Strafe,AR, Puppet..... annoying. well o well at lest I am killing Strafe so I have nothing to worry about.



Kevvl	Jan 15 2008, 12:52 AM Post #2
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Wow. I'm totally set with 15 Eagle, thanks to Freezer :) All I need to worry about is immobilizing monsters for 2 seconds...oh wait, Bliz :D
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bluebomber2425	Jan 15 2008, 12:58 AM Post #3
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	Kevvl14 Jan 15 2008, 12:52 AM Wow. I'm totally set with 15 Eagle, thanks to Freezer :) All I need to worry about is immobilizing monsters for 2 seconds...oh wait, Bliz :D screw joo



Zinc210	Jan 15 2008, 01:02 AM Post #4
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	Well, that's just how it is... and is why I was going to max Hawk from the beginning! I think is kinda naive to think SoA will knockback often with 51% damage. SE will help, but 3rd job still plays a huge role. Hamstring is a good skill, but since most people have a "damage whore" mind set and ALWAYS think in terms of "best exp per hour," it's lower priority, but I think it has potential use in earlier levels (also since it works with Phoenix) I wonder if one was to put 10 points in every 4th job skill available to them, would training really be that bad? COnsidering many have made it to 150+ with 3rd job skills ALONE. >.>
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


bluebomber2425	Jan 15 2008, 01:08 AM Post #5
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	if they would put 10 points in every availible skill it would be...slower than it could be. I don't see potential uses for 10 Phoenix, 10 Dp, over other skills. but yea...SE and Expt both increase KB, but Expertise does it to a greater extent. My guess is that your hitting your max more often and it does add wep attack.



Zinc210	Jan 15 2008, 01:16 AM Post #6
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	Yea I would think that too. Since Expertise wipes out hits lower than certain numbers, while allowing higher ones and closing the gap, knock back becomes more frequent. Yea, it would be wise, and I would also do this, to leave DP and phoenix at 1, since they function perfectly at those levels. If I had no books, I'd probably add extra points into hamstring to get it to 10. Saving points never appealed to me. Seems like a waste of a level. I'd probably only save if I have to.
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


Russt	Jan 15 2008, 01:23 AM Post #7
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	How much does 1 Hamstring do?
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Zinc210	Jan 15 2008, 01:29 AM Post #8
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	er, 11% chance or reducing speed by 2 for 5 seconds... in other words, next to nuthin, but I think 10 hamstring is a bit more useful
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


bluebomber2425	Jan 15 2008, 01:44 AM Post #9
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	Zinc210 Jan 15 2008, 01:29 AM er, 11% chance or reducing speed by 2 for 5 seconds... in other words, next to nuthin, but I think 10 hamstring is a bit more useful yes, I find Hamstring very appetzing, but I am a damage whore. I would be getting hamstring after levle 140 :/ you know what. Ima throw 3 points in there, after I get 10 in each. that only sets maxing one skill off by one level. it lasts 45 seconds, in 5 seconds they will be dead. You may think 16% is rare..but I have seen my 5% chance MB kill happen almost once per level. Now MB only happens occasionally so take that in perpspective. It is 16% AND it you are shooting 7-9 arrows a second. If i estimated correctly, 15-16 arrows will be Hamstringed every 14 seconds DAM! Thats not bad, I have to take that skill into serious consideration now. DAMMIT ZINC! EDIT: 1 point means 11 arrows every 14 seconds of it firing. god dam. I will throw one point in it at level 123. that way I will have 10 SE 1 SoA 1 Hamstring or.....I might get Phoenix....DAMMIT! I think hamstring overpresides Phoenix at this early of a level.



Zinc210	Jan 15 2008, 02:02 AM Post #10
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	Muahaha messing up yo builds!! :) Don't you lurve how all our skills are soooo useful :D
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


Russt	Jan 15 2008, 02:10 AM Post #11
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Well, at level 1, it's only -2 speed. It's not the chance of getting Hamstringed, it's really the what it means for a monster to be Hamstringed.
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bluebomber2425	Jan 15 2008, 04:47 AM Post #12
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	Sapphire8 Jan 15 2008, 02:10 AM Well, at level 1, it's only -2 speed. It's not the chance of getting Hamstringed, it's really the what it means for a monster to be Hamstringed. -2 speed>temp KB state



Zinc210	Jan 15 2008, 06:05 PM Post #13
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	bluebomber2425 Jan 15 2008, 04:47 AM Sapphire8 Jan 15 2008, 02:10 AM Well, at level 1, it's only -2 speed. It's not the chance of getting Hamstringed, it's really the what it means for a monster to be Hamstringed. -2 speed>temp KB state But how much would -2 speed be noticed? I think it works better on slower monsters, but prolongs fast ones for maybe... a fifth of a second (which can still help) I read on Pokgai's site that level 1 (or was it 2?) Hamstring was quite useful.
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


zedex	Feb 2 2008, 07:08 PM Post #14
BOOO we lost! Posts: 46 Group: Members Member #75 Joined: August 17, 2007	so you ditched strafe completely? wouldn't strafe actually do better at lower level hurricane?



Zinc210	Feb 2 2008, 09:54 PM Post #15
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	zedex Feb 2 2008, 07:08 PM so you ditched strafe completely? wouldn't strafe actually do better at lower level hurricane? Basically, yes, but since Hurricane gets more shots out over time than strafe, the number of crits, combined with SE, make it better.
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


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