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Topic Started: Jan 19 2008, 12:59 AM (4,689 Views)
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Jan 27 2008, 10:25 PM
Why are all the quote tags not working ;_;

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well heres from a good amount of hours spent. I get 8.4 exp per hour here which is good. Since before I was getting 3-5% a hour. I aam sure a party here would increase exp by up to 12%, good luck simplifying...

here it is:



Destroyed Dragon Nest – Levels 120+

Jr. Newties, Transforming Newties, and Nest Golems
Spawn - 5/5
Money - 3/5
Exp – 4/5
Exp to Hp Ratio- 1:18 (for all monsters on this map)

Pros
-Low Pot Consumption
-Nest Golems move slowly, and Newties are stationary
-Flat terrain
-Constant Spawn
-Nest Golem magic attack is avoidable and are not auto-aggroed

Cons
-Far away from town (buy a Mount it helps)
-Incredible fast attacks
-Highly damaging attacks
-Hard to collect drops
-Newtie’s Magic Attack is unavoidable
-Newties are Auto-aggroed

Overall 4/5

Highly Recommended Method: Hawk/Eagle and Strafe or Hurricane
If you don’t plan on using Hawk/Eagle, do not waste your time going here, even Blizzard won’t work efficiently here. Simply using Hawk/Eagle reduces your damage intake by more than 70%. On this map, you will mostly be killing Jr. Newties and Transforming Jr. Newties. The Newties attacks are VERY fast and are auto aggroed, in some cases it appears that they attack while spawning. They do about 2.1k damage and can attack with a decently long range. Hawk takes care of this situation by stunning them. On this map, it is highly recommended that you stand in one of the two spots on the left hand side of the map. Take either the bottom platform or middle platform. The top is not suited for Archers, and is full of Nest Golems that can do up to 3.1k damage. The bottom platform has a Transforming Newtie, and when it is in the middle of transforming your attacks will bypass it and hit the second Newtie that is behind it. Although the Transforming Newtie becomes a Nest Golem and does damage that takes over 90% of your health, Hawk/Eagle should immobilize it. If for some reason Hawk/Eagle does not stun or happens to run out, BACK AWAY while jumping and puppet behind you if you hit it. If you find yourself facing two Nest Golems, which can happen depending on how fast you kill and the spawn, BACK AWAY while jumping, and do what was stated before, Blizzard would also work. The Transforming Newties that turn into Nest Golems have avoidable ground attacks and gives you about 2.1 more exp than a Jr. Newtie and is more than regular Nest Golems. If you don’t want to fight the transforming ones and if you can, take the second platform as the first two are regular Jr. Newties. Most of the time you will only be attacking two Newties, because that’s all you can hit in your range, and the spawn is fast. This map does cater to skills that have high damage overtime, so Bowmasters MAY have an easier time.

The only thing that makes the money mediocre is due to the fact that it is very hard to pick up the money. When you go to pick up drops you WILL get hit by other Jr. Newties. It is very dangerous for anyone who doesn’t have a pet, as it is hard to pick up and take 2.1k damage constantly. If you have a pet and a mount the best method is to after every few minutes, ride on the mount quickly jumping over the Newties and back. This is also dangerous, as you cannot pot while riding the Mount. If you have auto-hp you are fine. An efficient looter will only get hit 1-2 times with the mount.

For faster exp, party with another Archer or Hermit/Night Lord. I/L Archmages may also do well at the top platform.
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I just want to say that V/Hoodoos are ALWAYS 4 spawn, never higher, never lower. Change it! :D
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Buerre
Jan 27 2008, 10:54 PM
I just want to say that V/Hoodoos are ALWAYS 4 spawn, never higher, never lower. Change it! :D

Kevvl did a test, the spawn does change (if I remember correctly)
omg are you serious?!?!
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Blue what level are you?
omg are you serious?!?!
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Sum41
Jan 28 2008, 06:08 AM
Buerre
Jan 27 2008, 10:54 PM
I just want to say that V/Hoodoos are ALWAYS 4 spawn, never higher, never lower. Change it!  :D

Kevvl did a test, the spawn does change (if I remember correctly)

Yeah. with 3~4 people in the map, it raises to 5 Voodoos per spawn.

With 5+ its 6 voodoos.



Oh, and if there's ever a Server Check, or a Patch.

Go to any Map with monsters.



Spawn lowers to "0" when No-ones there, leading me to believe monster spawn is always dependant on players.

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Jan 27 2008, 05:32 PM
well heres from a good amount of hours spent. I get 8.4 exp per hour here which is good. Since before I was getting 3-5% a hour. I aam sure a party here would increase exp by up to 12%, good luck simplifying...

here it is:



Destroyed Dragon Nest – Levels 120+

Jr. Newties, Transforming Newties, and Nest Golems
Spawn - 5/5
Money - 3/5
Exp – 4/5
Exp to Hp Ratio- 1:18 (for all monsters on this map)

Pros
-Low Pot Consumption
-Nest Golems move slowly, and Newties are stationary
-Flat terrain
-Constant Spawn
-Nest Golem magic attack is avoidable and are not auto-aggroed

Cons
-Far away from town (buy a Mount it helps)
-Incredible fast attacks
-Highly damaging attacks
-Hard to collect drops
-Newtie’s Magic Attack is unavoidable
-Newties are Auto-aggroed

Overall  4/5

Highly Recommended Method: Hawk/Eagle and Strafe or Hurricane
If you don’t plan on using Hawk/Eagle, do not waste your time going here, even Blizzard won’t work efficiently here. Simply using Hawk/Eagle reduces your damage intake by more than 70%. On this map, you will mostly be killing Jr. Newties and Transforming Jr. Newties. The Newties attacks are VERY fast and are auto aggroed, in some cases it appears that they attack while spawning. They do about 2.1k damage and can attack with a decently long range. Hawk takes care of this situation by stunning them. On this map, it is highly recommended that you stand in one of the two spots on the left hand side of the map. Take either the bottom platform or middle platform. The top is not suited for Archers, and is full of Nest Golems that can do up to 3.1k damage. The bottom platform has a Transforming Newtie, and when it is in the middle of transforming your attacks will bypass it and hit the second Newtie that is behind it. Although the Transforming Newtie becomes a Nest Golem and does damage that takes over 90% of your health, Hawk/Eagle should immobilize it. If for some reason Hawk/Eagle does not stun or happens to run out, BACK AWAY while jumping and puppet behind you if you hit it. If you find yourself facing two Nest Golems, which can happen depending on how fast you kill and the spawn, BACK AWAY while jumping, and do what was stated before, Blizzard would also work.  The Transforming Newties that turn into Nest Golems have avoidable ground attacks and gives you about 2.1 more exp than a Jr. Newtie and is more than regular Nest Golems.  If you don’t want to fight the transforming ones and if you can, take the second platform as the first two are regular Jr. Newties. Most of the time you will only be attacking two Newties, because that’s all you can hit in your range, and the spawn is fast. This map does cater to skills that have high damage overtime, so Bowmasters MAY have an easier time.

The only thing that makes the money mediocre is due to the fact that it is very hard to pick up the money. When you go to pick up drops you WILL get hit by other Jr. Newties. It is very dangerous for anyone who doesn’t have a pet, as it is hard to pick up and take 2.1k damage constantly. If you have a pet and a mount the best method is to after every few minutes, ride on the mount quickly jumping over the Newties and back. This is also dangerous, as you cannot pot while riding the Mount. If you have auto-hp you are fine. An efficient looter will only get hit 1-2 times with the mount.

For faster exp, party with another Archer or Hermit/Night Lord. I/L Archmages may also do well at the top platform.

New format please.

(It's in the thread in the training guide section up top.)

Or am I supposed to format it :P
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I have no idea what you are talking about, so I will leave it to you.
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Swamp of Juior Necki (Or However it is spelled in-game)

Jr. Necki, Slime
Spawn: High
Training Cost: Very Low
Movement: Medium
EXP/HP: Jr. Necki 1:7.5, Slime 1:5

Requirements: 92 Accuracy for 100% hit i.e. Approximately level 28+
Recommended: Level 1 Arrow Bomb/Iron Arrow

Map favours Arrow Bomb. Several Platforms with safe sniping spots and high spawn.
Method: Jump up onto a sniping spot, clear towards the right. Drop to the bottom. Kill Slimes going left. Repeat. Spawn should be approximately 4~6 Neckis per platform. If I recall correctly, there are six platforms. Iron Arrow has difficulty hitting unless standing in a slight dip in the platform or at the very edge.

Pros:
High mobability.
Sniping spots everywhere.
Practically no damage taken.
Relatively good money. Especially if you can sell the Skins.
Not crowded at all.
Should be able to ohko them at a high rate.
Cons:
Too small for Iron Arrow.

Located at the right end of the Swamp of Despair I, hidden street, press Up on the wooden sign on the platform.

Not sure about the %/hr as I was just looking around on my 39 Crossbow. Didn't seem too bad for her.
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I can't wait to test skelgons I found something rather interesting. It may be faster to use combinations of the 4th job bird skill, DB and puppet rather than just eagle/hawk. So far, by looking at a vid i came across, the exp is at least 1.5 times faster....now how safe it is, I will have to test.
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Jan 27 2008, 04:50 PM
Sapphire8
Jan 27 2008, 10:25 PM
Why are all the quote tags not working ;_;

They are O-o

Not on my screen...
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Hmm. I just read the stickied not from Techno-Sap

I can do tests for lv 10~30 Archers, and level 60~90 Ranger/Sniper. :)
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Jan 27 2008, 10:25 PM
Why are all the quote tags not working ;_;

They are O-o

Not on my screen...

I KNOW your running FF. Perhaps a plugin is killing it? Disable them and try. If not, its prob in your setting somewhere.
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Firebug is disabled.
Autocopy is enabled, but I don't see how it'd affect quote tags.
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For some reason only that post doesn't have quote tags working, every other one on this site does.

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Hm, it doesn't seem to be caused by too many quotes.
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