Sharp Eyes + Berserk

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Sharp Eyes + Berserk
Topic Started: Feb 7 2008, 09:08 PM (163 Views)
Reginleif	Feb 7 2008, 09:08 PM Post #1
Your God Posts: 153 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: June 23, 2007	Someone want to crack the numbers? I'm busy. Berserk is a multiplier from what I've heard. So Level 1 = 1.13 times more damage. Level 20 is 1.7 Level 30 is 2.0 Sharp Eyes for Warriors gives +140% on skills. Crusher = 310%. blah blah blah So; (Skill%+SE%)Berserk or Skill%Berserk + SE% or (Skill%+SE%)*Berserk + SE% or something else Because someone claims that they hit 30k Criticals with Crusher, 20 Berserk, 10 SE, max damage is 6046 on their range, and then 40k Criticals with same things and 20 SE. Discuss <_<



Russt	Feb 7 2008, 09:44 PM Post #2
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Damage range -> DEF -> Attack damage % -> Critical +100% -> Multipliers like buffs and element. Btw, I've heard that SE is just a multiplier for classes that don't have a default critical, but that doesn't make too much sense. But none of the possibilities would account for a 10k difference in damage between +120% and +130% SE.
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Reginleif	Feb 8 2008, 01:16 AM Post #3
Your God Posts: 153 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: June 23, 2007	All the data I've been fed state that it would have to be +140% for Warriors and Bandits, and not 1.4 since the damage out put wouldn't be possible that way. Of course, it could be something else, but I'm pretty sure it was found it can't be 1.4



bluebomber2425	Feb 8 2008, 02:18 AM Post #4
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	I have a Drk in my guild. he has beserk too. hes usally busy tho, but i will try to get some dmg out of him.



Kevvl	Feb 8 2008, 02:30 PM Post #5
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Reginleif Feb 7 2008, 10:16 PM All the data I've been fed state that it would have to be +140% for Warriors and Bandits, and not 1.4 since the damage out put wouldn't be possible that way. Of course, it could be something else, but I'm pretty sure it was found it can't be 1.4 *And mages Since we all know Mages do 100% damage, and they do 130% or so with Elem Amp.
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bluebomber2425	Feb 8 2008, 04:05 PM Post #6
Devil's Advocate Posts: 619 Group: Super Mods Member #52 Joined: June 18, 2007	Kevvl14 Feb 8 2008, 02:30 PM Reginleif Feb 7 2008, 10:16 PM All the data I've been fed state that it would have to be +140% for Warriors and Bandits, and not 1.4 since the damage out put wouldn't be possible that way. Of course, it could be something else, but I'm pretty sure it was found it can't be 1.4 *And mages Since we all know Mages do 100% damage, and they do 130% or so with Elem Amp. .............ill test that too, but the only mage in my guild with Amp, is out for awhile due to school.



Russt	Feb 8 2008, 08:10 PM Post #7
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Kevvl14 Feb 8 2008, 11:30 AM Reginleif Feb 7 2008, 10:16 PM All the data I've been fed state that it would have to be +140% for Warriors and Bandits, and not 1.4 since the damage out put wouldn't be possible that way. Of course, it could be something else, but I'm pretty sure it was found it can't be 1.4 And mages Since we all know Mages do 100% damage, and they do 130% or so with Elem Amp. That's not relevant. Amp is a multiplier. So is, say, Fire Charge for WKs, which is 120% damage on all attacks. Fire Charge makes their PS 260120% = 312% damage. So it doesn't prove anything.
	"Ultimate knowledge is only an experiment away" - Magatian alchemist motto Maple Formula Sheet \| Hits Per Kill Calculator \| Lost in Phantom Forest? \| Knuckle Combo %DPS Chart \| Archer/Slinger %DPS Comparison \| Archer > Hunter > Ranger Build Spoiler Maze


Zinc210	Feb 8 2008, 09:47 PM Post #8
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	I always thought how that's BS about WKs... I was like omgwtfbbq, element AND attack power!?
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


Russt	Feb 8 2008, 09:51 PM Post #9
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	It's not that strong though, when you think about it. Their regular PS vs our regular DS is 260% vs 340% (when you factor in damage range it pretty much evens) Their PS w/ fire and element vs our regular Strafe is 468% vs 560%. It's a similar margin.
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Zinc210	Feb 8 2008, 10:28 PM Post #10
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	yesh, but don't they also have better formulas than us in the first place?
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


Russt	Feb 9 2008, 01:09 AM Post #11
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Yes. But what I'm saying is, PS+Fire+Element isn't any more broken compared to Strafe than PS by itself is compared to DS. (Well, it is a little. Like 10%.) If you're going to pick on anyone's formula, pick on L7. Or pick on Magic Claw, but that's only good for about 10 levels.
	"Ultimate knowledge is only an experiment away" - Magatian alchemist motto Maple Formula Sheet \| Hits Per Kill Calculator \| Lost in Phantom Forest? \| Knuckle Combo %DPS Chart \| Archer/Slinger %DPS Comparison \| Archer > Hunter > Ranger Build Spoiler Maze


Kevvl	Feb 9 2008, 12:06 PM Post #12
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	Sapphire8 Feb 8 2008, 05:10 PM Kevvl14 Feb 8 2008, 11:30 AM Reginleif Feb 7 2008, 10:16 PM All the data I've been fed state that it would have to be +140% for Warriors and Bandits, and not 1.4 since the damage out put wouldn't be possible that way. Of course, it could be something else, but I'm pretty sure it was found it can't be 1.4 And mages Since we all know Mages do 100% damage, and they do 130% or so with Elem Amp. That's not relevant. Amp is a multiplier. So is, say, Fire Charge for WKs, which is 120% damage on all attacks. Fire Charge makes their PS 260120% = 312% damage. So it doesn't prove anything. Multiplier? Any % is a multiplier when it gets down to it. 130% = 1.3*100% Wk's on the other hand.... Thats a Multiplier of other %'s, which goes against (Most) MapleMath
	B> 30% 1H BW Scrolls so I can get a +5 Gold Brick :)


Russt	Feb 9 2008, 12:36 PM Post #13
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Actually, critical shot goes against most maple math. Think about it. IA's decrease is a multiplier. Panic and Coma, I believe are multipliers (although I've never understood how they work). Amp could go either way, but considering that mages don't have any other percentages, it's probably a multiplier. Every instance of element advantage/disadvantage is a multiplier. SP is a multiplier. Quote Reginleif, Berserk is a multiplier. Critical is outnumbered here.
	"Ultimate knowledge is only an experiment away" - Magatian alchemist motto Maple Formula Sheet \| Hits Per Kill Calculator \| Lost in Phantom Forest? \| Knuckle Combo %DPS Chart \| Archer/Slinger %DPS Comparison \| Archer > Hunter > Ranger Build Spoiler Maze


Zinc210	Feb 9 2008, 09:07 PM Post #14
AGF Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: January 8, 2008	Sapphire8 Feb 9 2008, 01:09 AM Yes. But what I'm saying is, PS+Fire+Element isn't any more broken compared to Strafe than PS by itself is compared to DS. (Well, it is a little. Like 10%.) If you're going to pick on anyone's formula, pick on L7. Or pick on Magic Claw, but that's only good for about 10 levels. Trueness, but we still have an edge because we're ranged anyway :D Why do I need to pick on Magic claw? I think that would be mean towards mages Mages are weird because their skills ARE their weapons, and weapons to them are technically just boosts to their INT (without the extra M.DEF or MP per level D:) Magic claw is like having a 40 attack weapon that hits 100% twice, but with a weak formula (seriously, it has like two 0.8 multipliers while sins get a 5x for L7 and We hunters get a 3.4 (which is like one of the lowest out of the physical attackers) The only reason MC is good, from my experience gettin 2 mages to 30, is that M.DEF isnt high with some monsters and that MC reaches its max potential during first job, while other classes need mastery and sins need crit, all in second job, where we all pass the poor mages. Lucky seven, I DO HATE, but without it, sins are next to nuthin... just speed and jumpyness... If I had anything to do with it, I'd take that damn 5x LCK thing in the formula and make it 4x or 4.5x... Anyways, thats how I see it...
	Status: lvl 77, Got 3 more Arrow Rain. Still need to do them PPQs for my lvl 70 hat >.>; 75 done so far... Next level: Still More AR Plox Hawk's name: Tobias Argentum Puppet's name: Meat Shield Crow's name: Knitpicker White Tiger's name: Ivory


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