Fire Rates Results. OMG MUST READ!!!

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Fire Rates Results. OMG MUST READ!!!
Topic Started: Apr 12 2008, 01:49 PM (822 Views)
Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 01:49 PM Post #1
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	Nutshell: First number is seconds per shot Second number is shots per minute frame_test Normal Xbow no Booster ~ .87/69 Normal Xbow with Booster ~ .73/82 Fast Xbow no Booster ~ .8/75 Fast Xbow with Booster ~ No Data Normal Bow no Booster ~ .87/69 Normal Bow with Booster ~ No Data Fast Bow no Booster ~ Inconclusive, assumed .8/75 Fast Bow with Booster ~ In conclusive, assumed .70/86 I. Am. STUNNED. This can't be valid, the video must not be clear enough (MS's low FPS, or possibly the compression). So here's how I did it. I went frame by frame through the video untill I saw an arrow just coming out. Then I went to the next shot and compared where the arrows were (sometimes the frames were not in sync). When I found two that were in the same spot I put them in photoshop and flashed between them to makesure that they were in the SAME spot. The inconclusive mean that when I flashed they weren't exact, so I took around 5 shots and approximated. This is because MS doesn't have a high enough frame rate to capture the faster shots. This is what I'm seeing though. Yes I have the vids labeled properly. I tried a metronome test, but it wont work, my ear isn't good enough to distinguish between two tones and I ended up having a +/- 5 shots per minute. EDIT: Shots in Time For this method I counted the shots in the 30 second interval. Not my favorite but I need something to compare my frame-by-frame with. If a shot was half on a screen I counted it as half. Remember I measure from arrow appearance to arrow appearance. Second number is just how many I saw *2 shots_in_time Normal Xbow no Booster ~ 34.5 - 69 Normal Xbow with Booster ~ 40.5/81 Fast Xbow no Booster ~ 38/76 Fast Xbow with Booster ~ No Data Normal Bow no Booster ~ 35/70 Normal Bow with Booster ~ No Data Fast Bow no Booster ~ 38/76 Fast Bow with Booster ~ 43/86 Wow..... This seems to support my original data. Bows and Xbows both seem to opperate around the old xbow speed. wow. Kev, get me those other vids ASAP!
	"Drawing" by Kev


Russt	Apr 12 2008, 03:49 PM Post #2
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Fast bow with booster is .70? That's eww.
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Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 03:53 PM Post #3
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	NEW RESULTS: I lined up with a ranger in FM and we shot at the SAME SPEED for all types of shooting. Hypothosis~ After the button is held down we shoot at the same speed, but perhaps pickup rate is different. We'll need more analysis for that. Kev, whip up a few vids (just two) of norm x/bow w/ booster tapping the key every few sec.
	"Drawing" by Kev


Russt	Apr 12 2008, 03:56 PM Post #4
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	I'll do it. (Only problem is that I get FPS lag when I record.)
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Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 03:58 PM Post #5
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	yay I actually got a cue of inspiration and I want to hit 90 now.
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spiritrival	Apr 12 2008, 04:19 PM Post #6
Erk Posts: 1,779 Group: Super Mods Member #6 Joined: May 10, 2007	-.- That kinda screws up all of our other data... And that also means Crossbows do a lot more damage over time...time to hide information from the rest of the world! <_< If we do release this on Basil...be prepared for a flame war...O.o That is, if these are correct.



Russt	Apr 12 2008, 04:35 PM Post #7
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Okay. I recorded myself with crossbow and bow, both normal speed, booster. I measured from the beginning of the first shooting frame, to the beginning of the first breathing frame. I did separate tests for shooting while breathing and shooting while 'calm', but it seems they're the same. Crossbow: .70 .73 .67 .63 .66 .74 Bow: .70 .70 .70 .70 .70 Yeah, I dunno what made the crossbow ones so inconsistent. Maybe I should redo em.
	"Ultimate knowledge is only an experiment away" - Magatian alchemist motto Maple Formula Sheet \| Hits Per Kill Calculator \| Lost in Phantom Forest? \| Knuckle Combo %DPS Chart \| Archer/Slinger %DPS Comparison \| Archer > Hunter > Ranger Build Spoiler Maze


Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 04:42 PM Post #8
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	and, although fardfetched, the formulas are still the same (had to check). Gltich hax0rs? Imma msg Nexon.
	"Drawing" by Kev


Russt	Apr 12 2008, 04:46 PM Post #9
Formula Specialist Posts: 1,635 Group: Super Mods Member #4 Joined: May 9, 2007	Okay what the hell. I just redid the crossbow test, and it's consistent this time. But the results are even more perplexing. .67 .67 .67 .66 .67 .70 .67 .67 Oh wait, you know what? I just remembered something. If you spam attack on bow, there's always 1 breathing frame in between each shot. I'm not sure whether that's the case for crossbow.
	"Ultimate knowledge is only an experiment away" - Magatian alchemist motto Maple Formula Sheet \| Hits Per Kill Calculator \| Lost in Phantom Forest? \| Knuckle Combo %DPS Chart \| Archer/Slinger %DPS Comparison \| Archer > Hunter > Ranger Build Spoiler Maze


Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 04:49 PM Post #10
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	Weeeeeeeeeird.
	"Drawing" by Kev


hyperfell	Apr 12 2008, 05:27 PM Post #11
101 Khaini Sniper Posts: 163 Group: Members Member #140 Joined: February 22, 2008	No one tell ANYONE until I finish getting my secret character to level 43. He's 15 now. So... SHH.
	petey ~~Hyperfell keeps editing my posts!~~ Ignore that. I love schlong.


spiritrival	Apr 12 2008, 05:53 PM Post #12
Erk Posts: 1,779 Group: Super Mods Member #6 Joined: May 10, 2007	Sapphire8 Apr 12 2008, 04:46 PM Okay what the hell. I just redid the crossbow test, and it's consistent this time. But the results are even more perplexing. .67 .67 .67 .66 .67 .70 .67 .67 Oh wait, you know what? I just remembered something. If you spam attack on bow, there's always 1 breathing frame in between each shot. I'm not sure whether that's the case for crossbow. Lol, that defies all knowledge of Bowmen evah!!! Crossbows firing faster than Bows >.> What the Hell is going on here? -.-



Kevvl	Apr 12 2008, 06:04 PM Post #13
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	The compressed Normal Bow Booster and Fast Bow booster files are corrupted >.> This makes no sense, but when I look at both videos side by side (Normal Bow-Booster and Normal Xbow Booster) THE SPEED IS THE SAME PICKUP RATE TOO FROM WHAT I CAN TELL! I......this has to be a mistake... I'll start re-compressing after my 2x is over So you can analyze them better. I think it's fraps-lag. Not sure though =/
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Kevvl	Apr 12 2008, 06:51 PM Post #14
Brickmaster Posts: 1,178 Group: Super Mods Member #87 Joined: October 24, 2007	I just bought a Ryden. Fired both that and my Raven for a bit. I couldn't tell the difference as far as speed. Last time I did that, I could tell that Bows were way faster, but not this time =/
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Technolink	Apr 12 2008, 07:26 PM Post #15
The Overlord Posts: 1,496 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 9, 2007	I sat there and spammed strafe with a ranger with all speeds of bows and xbows and we matched strafe for strafe. Here's my take: 1. Its a glitch (I e-mailed nexon, we'll get a response in half a year) 2. Its intended. The xbow class is much smaller then the bow, and perhaps nexon did this as an incentive to even them out, like when they lowered the sin's attacking speed right after beta because there were no dits. 3. Nexon truely belives that hurricane is that good as to lower the atacking speed of the ranger class so they are sub par 30~120. I think its 1 or 2, this maybe a mechanism for people to make more xbows. Either way, predicted results: 1. "You lie", we will be consistently mocked and flamed (especially from the basil side, but sleepy too). 2. The flame wars will start. Existing rangers will find ways to prove that rangers are still up to par (most likely manipulating inferno (yay, more maxed inferno builds)) 3. noobs will all join xbow seeing a 'clear' advantage. 4. Xbow will become overpopulated in about a year and then it will go back to 88 and 82. My prediction at least. Don't let this get out just yet. Tomorrow I'll write up a very well structured thing with all of my frame by frame results in an easy to digest animation accompanied with a mini-guide. EDIT: If on Nexon my ticket is logged as a 'closed ticket' does that mean the read the title and killed it?
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