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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 18 2011, 03:49 PM (2,192 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Jul 4 2011, 02:44 PM Post #51 |
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with the one day to the other I ment that by this the numbers could change as soon as a new nation joins, or the stats are updated (which occur once a month, unless a new nation arrives) and the % of the GDP is now taken more into consideration since all nations RAM (raw active military - as taken from absolution) are, I want to believe, related to it, and all are now divided by the same factor, which is a mean of all the region previous factor system... Am I being clear? or is it confuse still?? |
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| Empire of Monaco-Ville-Nice | Jul 4 2011, 06:56 PM Post #52 |
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I think the formula that gives us less troops is a bit unrealistic and also it would make Byronmandy have to redo all the military maps.
Edited by Empire of Monaco-Ville-Nice, Jul 4 2011, 07:00 PM.
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| Byronmandy | Jul 4 2011, 08:50 PM Post #53 |
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Exactly MVN. We should stay with the same system that we've been using. Its worked fine so far and there is no need to change it all up. The formula already is excellent. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 4 2011, 11:04 PM Post #54 |
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After reading through the thread, I have to agree with the IR and MVN. Creating an actual formula to reduce nation troop numbers is rather unrealistic. Id prefer to take the raw numbers from the Absolution calculator and divide them by 10 like the IR proposed. This both lowers the ridiculous calculations that Nationstates creates, and provides us with more feasable and managable number, as well as it is a much simpler formula to follow. It also allows for variety in RP which is more in line with RL. And I don't really see military maps as necessary. I would rather consider that an optional thing as even in RL not many nations have that readily available for securiety purposes. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 4 2011, 11:39 PM Post #55 |
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I have no problems with it, I mean, I was correcting the formula for an issue that came up with the inclusion of Grangale, whom by the first formula would have more troops than byro while having an actually smaller RAM. Anyway, currently the formula divides the RAM by 35 for all nations (still didn't added New Sargassos to the spreadsheet), this number is the one that may change, besides of course of the active military and population, which I get from Absolution. I removed the 50 division cap, for with it one day we all would have such amount and that is somewhat unrealistic, although I've kept the 5 divisions minimum and the curve. I'll be posting shortly at the number of troops topic the results, and the RMS factor will be posted also. The formula is the same one as before, the only difference is that now instead of having each nation one factor, all nations have the same which is the arithmetical mean of the individual factor at a given time. I'll include New Sargassos data before posting, therefore the RMSf might be another one. |
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| Byronmandy | Jul 5 2011, 09:31 AM Post #56 |
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Why are we changing all of this? We went through all of this work to establish a workable formula and now were messing it all up. We should stick with the same thing we've been doing Veomo, just updating the list every month or everytime we get a new nation. NS, you misinterpreted MVN's words. He was saying that the new formula that was proposed should not be adopted. IR, we tried doing that, if you remember. It came to be that nations about my size had something rediuculous like 5 million troops and all of our newer nations had less than 20,000. It didn't work at all. Veomo, we're going to stick with the same thing that we've been doing the whole time. We had a lengthy conversation about it when the region was created, and it was decided then what we're doing with regards to militaries. Instead of getting rid of the 50,000 cap entirely, just change it to 60,000. Also, it is impossible that Grangle has more troops than me. They have barely half my population and spend $7,559,526,290,958 on defense, while I spend $42,562,244,579,051. This was just some mistake in your calculations. Edited by Byronmandy, Jul 5 2011, 09:33 AM.
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| Empire of Monaco-Ville-Nice | Jul 5 2011, 09:59 AM Post #57 |
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What Byro said ; ) |
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| Deleted User | Jul 5 2011, 01:50 PM Post #58 |
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The problem was on the RMS factor part of the formula, on the early ones it was 1 factor per nation, so for example Byro you could have a RMSf of 90 while MVN had one of 74 for example. The RMS is RAM (active military as taken from absolution) over RMSf. So some odd stuff begun to happen, for instance, the Grangale case: Using values taken from the tracker right now, by the old formula it would be something like this: nation - Population - RAM - RMSf - RMS - Divisions Byronmandy-5,497,000,000-61,016,700-90.09-677,285-34 Grangale-2,347,000,000-21,123,000-111.11(=11.11)-1,901,070-95 so what I did now was to unify all the RMSfs in a single factor, that is the arithmetical mean of all the individuals RMSf. which give us the values on the report. I just removed the maximum cap so you all could see the actual amount of troops you'd have if there was no maximum cap. |
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| Byronmandy | Jul 6 2011, 10:04 AM Post #59 |
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Well, then I guess neither of these methods are going to work. We'll have to come up with somethimg completely different. The new numbers you posted aren't going to work. Somehow I went from 33 divisions to over 80. And then you have one's like Celatoria which went from 20 down to 8. This new one deffinately isn't going to work. I'll try and come up with some formula or something that we can use that isn't so complicated. While we're thinking about what to do, could you just post what an updated list using the old formula so we can see what it would look like Veomo? Just so we have a reference. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 6 2011, 12:36 PM Post #60 |
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sure thing, I'll edit the post so that both are there, nonetheless this latter one is more related to the Active military, you had a active military of 60,000,000+ while Celatoria had a active of 6,000,000. So actually was the 33-20 relation that was wrong. Anyhow if we cap the max you'd be in the cap, be it 50 or 60 division (1,000,000 - 1,200,000 troops). Anyway... I'll try to think something up also. |
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