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| Northern Conference on the Anatolian Region; Bringing Baradoz Together To Settle The Ixzaran Crisis | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 16 2011, 08:19 PM Post #201 |
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The ambassador seeing the confusion replies. "Gentleman I recall you that such lines have a simple exception, with the exception of and limited to allied territories was what we proposed, since we cannot foresee how international politics will develop in the future. though it is acceptable at this point to consider limiting the proposal to the Mediterranean sphere only." |
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| Grangale Empire | Sep 16 2011, 10:06 PM Post #202 |
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Emperor Julii leaned over to speak "Applying the restriction to the Mediterranean sphere seems workable to Us. After all this area is the current hot bed. And as you have pointed out, that international politics cannot be foreseen, in the event that... for what ever reason... relations between belligerents improve, the three nations should be allowed to revoke this agreement in a less formal setting." |
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| Deleted User | Sep 17 2011, 03:22 AM Post #203 |
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'Agreed, we can find ourselves in this' the Stadhouder said. |
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| Byronmandy | Sep 17 2011, 01:51 PM Post #204 |
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“I’m sorry gentlemen, but it seems you are all most confused.” President Wayne said as he looked around the room. “Somehow this conference is acting like there are Imperial troops occupying Byronmandy and the war was lost months ago. I understand your logic to a point, but I think all of us must take a look at the situation on the ground.” he said. “First of all, this is a conference to decide peace between Byronmandy, MVN and Grangale. Therefore, naturally only those said nations, along with the lone moderator should be here. Having near every nation here, especially numerous nations aligned with one side, is not healthy for any peace talks. But if you are inclined to observe, go right ahead, but I plead that you limit yourselves to just that: observation. It would be best if the nations who actually lost men in this war made the decisions, no offense intended.” The President scanned the other faces, hoping that he didn’t offend anyone. But if this was to be a region-wide peace process, so be it. That would be an advantage in the long run. He stood up and moved his hands toward the door. “Ladies and Gentlemen, if I may introduce Dr. John Ryan, head of the Byronmadian Intelligence Agency.” With that said, a clean shaven, well-dressed man entered the room, followed by five or six men in suits, all carrying large poster displays and notes. He walked up to the front and walked toward a podium while his men set everything up. “Everyone,” he said, “May I present to you the real history of the Imperial War.” said Ryan as he gestured toward the numerous visuals already in place. They included photo documentation from the Massacre of Rhodes and an exact copy of the message sent by the Byronmadian government to Celatoria and North Chicanan. “On 29 July, the Byronmadian government debated what should happen in the former territory of the Ixzaran Republic. They made the following conclusion:
They also released the following statement to the rest of the region:
Byronmandy’s greatest military men, who would later die at the hand of Imperial forces if I may add, decided that if order was to be restored to the Anatolian peninsula, anything less than 100,000 troops would be inadequate and counterproductive. This was not some small island; it was a large mass of land, now ruled by warlords, that used to be the strongest nation in the world. A small handful of troops may secure small port cities like Mersin, but if anything serious was to come of this operation, a more substantial troops deployment was necessary.” He looked down at his notes before continuing. “Also, the Byronmadian government realizes that some rather unprofessional statements may have been issued during the opening weeks of the crisis,” he said, this time looking strait at the Pharaoh, “And for that we apologize.” He understood how hard it was for a nation to do something like that, and he hoped the rest of the diplomats understood. “After the official statements were issued by the Republic,” he continued, “we sent messages to the governments of Celatoria, and North Chicanan, requesting permission to join their peace-keeping activities. Here is a copy of that exact message, detailing the exact number of troops that were being sent, as well as their destination and mission.” said Ryan as his aides passed out a copy to each person sitting at the table.
“Now as you can all see, why is it that if we were launching some international conspiracy to attack MVN that we would publicly announce our EXACT troops numbers, along with their destination and mission?” He looked around, his voice now slightly rising, “We issued our exact intentions, and we were not going to do anything until we got approval from the governments of Celatoria and North Chicanan.” “And that was exactly what we got soon after.” he said, as his aides handed out more papers to the various representatives.
“We received international recognition and approval of our mission, and were given a green light for peace-keeping/stability operations in Ixzara. Yet somewhere in the days just before 30 July, the leaders of MVN came up with what they thought was a most clever plan….While our force, escorted by only two fleets, if I may add, was slowly sailing through the Mediterranean, reports of heavy radar contact and masses of incoming airplanes reached our command center. We realized immediately that these aircraft we coming from the Empire, but we figured that it must be just an exercise since we had sought international approval for our mission and MVN never did one thing to voice opposition or seek any diplomatic solution.” said the head of Intelligence, as he looked strait into the glaring eyes of the Pharaoh. “As the oncoming aircraft continued to approach us, we sent numerous messages to them saying that they were entering our airspace and should clarify their objectives. There was no response. This game of talking to someone who obviously wasn’t interested in listening continued for some time until suddenly MVN aircraft appeared on the horizon and massacred over 100,000 people without cause or warning.” he said, looking through eyes of both pity and disgust at the Pharaoh. “Now if Baradoz had some sort of international organization to resolve disputes and settle issues from escalating, I’m sure that something like this never would have happened. Perhaps that is something we should all consider for the future.” Ryan stated, “And perhaps then we could have real justice. For Mr. Pharaoh, if the Republic ever catches you or your wife, you will be charged with war crimes, crimes against humanity, and oh….around 115,000 counts of murder….I hope that you are proud of what you’ve done.” His voice cracked as he spoke. It had been many months since his brother had set out with 8th fleet for a peacekeeping mission. “But nonetheless,” he said, “what is done is done. History is history. Nothing can be done to bring those men and women back, but something can be done to make sure that rogue dictators do not massacre 100,000 innocent peacekeepers again in the future. If anyone should be punished at the conclusion of these talks, it should be that man right there,” he said, pointing at the Pharaoh, “His ancient and oppressive ideals are no place for a world of the 21st century. The Empire of Monaco-Ville-Nice has been spreading rumors, trying to paint us as colonialist aggressors who want to wipe all monarchies off the face of the earth…We all know that is false, for even if we did want something like that, it would be impossible to do. We may be idealistic and passionate, but we are not stupid. The 100,000 troops sent to Anatolia were intended for more peace-keeping than war waging. And any fighting that would take place due to our presence would be against the warlords, not our fellow nations. We were trying to help, yet somehow we got war thrust upon us. We have been called many things recently, but to any clear mind, it is obvious that our intentions were not to have war. If we ever did intend for hostilities, we would have never sent 100,000 men, a large portion of our military, far into enemy territory where it would quickly be surrounded and destroyed. Anyone who knows anything about military strategy realizes this. It would have been military suicide to do such a thing. Also, we were well aware by this time of the creation of the Vienna Alliance. We would never think of attacking MVN when they had five strong allies ready to jump to their aid at a minutes notice. With this concrete data and evidence, it is obvious that any attempt to make us seem the aggressors has no credibility and is extremely false. In fact, MVN was nervous about a democratic nation helping to rebuild Ixzara. They thought it would limit their influence in the region and saw it as a threat to their ever-growing empire. Never mind that one of their allies, Celatoria had invited us to join them, never mind that we had clearly stated our objectives, never mind that any possibility for diplomacy was ignored. MVN was scared and saw an opportunity. There were 100,000 troops sailing in the eastern med with hardly any naval or air protection. If these men were wiped out, it would put Byronmandy at a great disadvantage and therefore the Empire’s security would not be in jeopardy. If anyone seeks the real reason, the real aggressors of this war, that is it.” He sorted his papers back together and took another look at the crowd of international politicians. If they still didn’t see the injustice and were still blinded by greed and ignorance, than nothing would fix this and the LTO would be on it’s own. “Also, there is the dangerous misconception among everyone here that MVN has won the war. That is far from true. As we speak, there are currently nine divisions of Byronmadian troops in defensive positions in the Atlas mountains, a total of 180,000 well equipped and healthy men. Besides that, we have 7 airbases throughout North Africa, Iberia and the Mediterranean, ready to strike the enemy at a moments notice. With all of their fighters and ground attack aircraft within range of the mountains and the north eastern Sahara. Also, there are 6 naval fleets, with six aircraft carriers sitting in the west med, ready to destroy any fleet that tries to push it’s way into the strait between Sicily and Tunisia. They are also available for air cover above the defending Byronmadian troops in Algeria. We are in no way defeated, and are prepared to defend our land bravely against the 260,000 enemy troops in the Sahara if it becomes necessary. I hope that you all understand why Byronmandy must not accept the proposal of restricting our troop movements around the world. There is no need for such a thing since we do not intend to attack anyone. If everyone intends to go by imperialist ideas at this conference, I suggest we just invite King Leopold here himself so he can give his ideas on how to divide up the world cake between the superpowers. This idea is unacceptable and will only create problems in the future. The world will become more divided with Byronmandy policing the west and MVN policing the east. A cold war will set in and the imaginary line that was drawn will act as an iron curtain, and that is not okay. Instead I propose the following: A simple fix to an unjust war. In any other circumstances, we would be asking for MVN to be punished for their ineptitude and barbarity. But instead we wish to offer the following proposal: Byronmandy, MVN and Grangale will all sign a non-aggression treaty that will be in effect for a minimum of five months. At that time, all signatories may renew the treaty for a set time should they all agree. No nation may withdraw from this agreement until five months from now, or later if it is agreed upon. All nations that were involved in this war (Byronmandy, Grangale, MVN) will be allowed to re-arm by re-gaining one division that was lost to war at a rate of one per week. (OOC: See post #122, pg.3 of “Collapse of Ixzaran Republic and Neoplanta” thread for exact numbers. This is also in accordance with the regional war RP rules. For example, Byronmandy lost 15 divisions, so it will take me 15 weeks to totally re-arm. Unless all of you want to go at a rate of 2 per week?) Also, Byronmandy will apologize for it’s harsh statements issued in the opening days of the crisis and will change it’s national motto. Also, MVN will apologize for murdering 115,000 peacekeepers. These three simple, and hopefully agreeable things should allow for peace to once again come to the region. I hope that you all can agree.” With that said, John Ryan stepped down from the podium and took a seat next to secretary Adair. Meanwhile President Wayne stood up and looked at his fellow rulers: “Are there any questions?” |
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| Grangale Empire | Sep 17 2011, 02:30 PM Post #205 |
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(OOC: I'm good with 2 per weeks.) Emperor Julii read though the reports and listened to what the Bryonmandy delegates had to say. Their description of the so-called "Imperial War" caused him to roll his eyes and the words "bull" and "s@#" were on the tip of his tongue, but he stayed his mouth. He had to deal with mafia types while working as a city prosecutor, smoke, mirrors and lies were nothing new to him. What stood out the most to him was why had Byronmandy not met with MVN before sending 100,000 troops into their backyard? Emepror Julii listened to what was said and spoke. "At the end of the day though... You didn't contact either Monaco-Ville-Nice, nor the Grangale Empire as to your intention, did you...?" The Emperor asked, now going into prosecutor mode, and it was closing statement time. He stood up and took position behind his chair as if it were a podium. "You've presented evidence that you were in communication with several leaders. But what we have noticed here, you left out Monaco-Ville-Nice and the Grangale Empire, two nations already involved, and one nation which yours already shares bad relations with. Then you sailed a force of 100,000 men quite close to Monaco-Ville-Nice's territorial waters, at the same time declaring that all involved nations were an occupying forces. You mean to tell us all here..." The Emperor said, looking directly at Ryan. "...that with your knowledges and your experience that this wouldn't have provoked a hostile response from an unfriendly nation?" The Emperor looked around at the others, and continued. "It seems to me, based upon these facts, that you wanted Monaco-Ville-Nice to react. As a doctor and head of your intelligence agency you would have known or should have known that Monaco-Ville-Nice would consider this an act of hostility. Therefore you intended to provoke Monaco-Ville-Nice. Furthermore, you gave no, none, zero, reassurances to both Monaco-Ville-Nice and the Grangale Empire that you had not intention of attacking out "occupying" forces, as you call it. Of course you wouldn't want to attack Monaco-Ville-Nice, you'd get pounded on by five other countries. So what did you do? You provoked Monaco-Ville-Nice into attacking you, by taking advantage of the bad relations between the two. By doing this, Monaco-Ville-Nice could not invoke the Vienna Treaty. Cleaver move, I do give you that. But what could be your motive? Establishing a sphere of influence right next to Monaco-Ville-Nice and right in the middle of the Vienna Alliance. The Emperor looked straight at Ryan again. "You mention that Monaco-Ville-Nice, voiced no objection, but how could they when you never met with them to discuss the details of you actions. What, was there for them to deny? Secondly when you walk right next to someone's house that you have problems with, isn't the reasonable thing to do would be to inform them of your intentions? Especially with 100,000 armed troops? The Emperor sat back down. "Before We say We agree to this peace proposal, We would like to hear what the Pharaoh has to say." "Also, We will apologize for Councilor Arlington's rather harsh words." The Emperor added. Edited by Grangale Empire, Sep 17 2011, 03:57 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 17 2011, 04:47 PM Post #206 |
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The Stadhouder listened to the rather big words flying around, and he thought about the Queen again. He whispered to the Raadspensionaris 'Hey Johan, I bet the Queen would have exploded. To the stars and beyond, as if she had a Soyuz up her colon.' The Raadspensionaris chuckled nervously. 'What do you think Johan, shall we participate in the fun and make some friends?' the Stadhouder said while he winked. The Stadhouder took the microphone 'Finally, someone else asking things in return for the ridiculous demands made by our self-proclaimed winners. In earlier days wars were won when a nation fully controlled or destroyed another, nowadays it is more fashionable to glorify oneself right after the first smoke clears. Anyways we will stick to the point that dividing the world in two is way over the top and therefore the Seven United Provinces will not contribute to that plan. We could understand agreements on troop movement in the mediterranean, but we will not interfere with that since it is not our zone of influence.' He smiled and said 'Bravo on the court act Emperor, If we hire a filmcrew we would have a blockbuster in no-time. However, just like in the movies the content of your story is inferior to the spectacle of the show. It is not surprising that people do not believe you, but what I find disturbing is that you do seem to believe yourself.' 'Do not get me wrong, I share your idea that it would have been a great move for Byronmandy to provoke Monaco-Ville-Nice. I could have done it myself, you learned me everything about the term flamebait a few days ago. But tell me Emperor, why were the Byronmander troops so badly defended? Why were you able to destroy complete Byronmander naval divisions without losing many troops yourself? How is it possible to catch a provoking army off guard? Let me answer this for one you... it is not possible to catch an agressor off guard, only agressors themselves are able to attack by surprise.' 'If I add up all the facts I can only come to the following conclusions, the Empire of Grangale was not the agressor here. However, your fear for President Wayne and his party made you an excellent candidate to be used as a puppet of war.' The Stadhouder smiled again and looked at the Pharaoh 'Well Pharaoh, if Byronmandy can not be the agressor because they were way too easily slaughtered for such a modern navy, and if Grangale was just a tool, then WHO IS the agressor? The Federation of Drekka maybe? The Pekhoran Rainbow Warriors? The Saxony Nibelungen???? Who are you going to blame instead of yourself Pharaoh?' The Stadhouder sat down again and looked at the Raadspensionaris, he whispered 'I know who is to blame. Not him, not Jack Daniels, but that walking cadaver of his.' The Raadspensionaris chuckled again and wondered if legacy was sufficient enough to feed his family after they would have been blown to pieces. |
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| Grangale Empire | Sep 17 2011, 05:18 PM Post #207 |
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The Emperor snorted, he expected as much out of the SUP delegation. Oh I could offer a myriad of explanations. For instance, look at the tone this war has taken. Look around this room, who really supports MVN? The Big Bad MVN, slaughtering helpless Bryonmandy "peace keepers." How many allies have jumped to Monaco-Ville-Nice's support without the Vienna Treaty? One. In fact, most of the Alliance members condemned the attack. Tell me something, can you think of a better foreign relations scenario for Byronmandy? The world is stacked in their favor, well, except for the other Empire they decided to threaten, but that just gives them an opportunity to strike at two Empires doesn't it? Byronmandy has isolated it's nemeses amonst the other nations of the region. A stroke of foreign policy genius. Now how would international opinion fare, if MVN's forces were defeated. The sympathy for the "slaughter" wouldn't be there now would it, thus decreasing their good will amongst all of you. Look around, foreign opinion is completely stacked towards Byronmandy. I wonder, just how far is Byronmandy willing to go to bring death to someone they call a tyrant? What is 100,000 and two of their carriers compared to a chance at crippling MVN? Is 100,000 troops worth a castrated MVN? Even now Ryan brags about how much military forces they still have. Sounds to me like 100,000 is a drop in the bucket. I suppose those 100,000 fulfilled their duties as good soldiers didn't they...? So now you claim that We have been manipulated into this? We saw a coming threat in the form of 100,000 armed troops, and we saw and ally who acted. What would you do? Wait till that threat was hammering down at your door... actually don't answer that, there might nuclear waste behind the door..." The Emeperor reconsidered his words. "...yeah that's a low blow, I apologize." "But there is a call for peace so We will listen. Let us put this whole sordid matter to rest and we can get on with things. Casting theories of ulterior motives aside, at the core of it, this was was set off by a lack of communication. The Vienna Treaty provides for a forum where members can air their grievances against one another. We propose applying that same principal here. A neutral place where the three nations have the opportunity speak face to face. For example, lets say we see 40,000 "peacekeepers" moving towards Istanbul. The opportunity will be there for Us to demand a meeting with Bryonmandy and demand an explanation. Non-compliance by any party would be a violation of the peace treaty. " Edited by Grangale Empire, Sep 17 2011, 05:22 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 17 2011, 05:36 PM Post #208 |
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The Stadhouder smiled 'Please, don't apologize for a low blow. I like to make one myself occasionally. By the way, what kind of politicians are we if we feel ourselves attacked personally?' 'I will refrain from reacting immediately because I am curious what the others have to say.' (OOC: Haha, I will react tomorrow. It is 00:35 am now, and I really need some sleep! =P) |
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| Deleted User | Sep 17 2011, 08:24 PM Post #209 |
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((What a great debate!! I'm just waiting to see what MVN will say^^)) At this point of the argumentation, the ambassador had little to say, and was more worried with the conversation he was holding with his delegation about some information that have been coming in from the Grand Duchy. |
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| Grangale Empire | Sep 17 2011, 09:27 PM Post #210 |
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(OOC: I loved that SUP mentioned the film crew. A professor of mine told us that if we're going to go into litigation that we should take an acting class. I guess even in my type it shows a little.) |
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