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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 04:49 PM (1,373 Views) | |
| bob kay | Jan 27 2014, 04:49 PM Post #1 |
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Following my comments on the previous thread ie f/t, I am glad someone agrees with me and no doubt if it was put to the masses then the majority would also agree. If the club is going to progress and especially with some local talent playing then a reserve team is a must. The talk of cost and the fear of not having enough volounteers to run things is totally nonsense. I can assure the club that they would have more than enough people willing to give a hand in the running of things. Local lads playing in a reserve team with a view to one day donning the 1st team shirt would have family and friends flocking to watch and lend a hand . So come on committee, take your head out of the sand and give it a go, I think you may be surprised with the response. If you dont then the club will just carry on being one of those that just make up the numbers. CFC supporters deserve better, |
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| Lion's Den | Jan 27 2014, 05:10 PM Post #2 |
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Bob, one message of support out of 200 members is hardly a ringing endorsement. Meeting the cost and lack of volunteers is not nonsense - it's practical experience borne of plenty of failed attempts. We would all love lots of local players in the side for all manner of reasons - I think the current management regime is showing the way with four Ribble Valley lads (Denty, Charlie Collinge, Will James and Chris Bailey) in Saturday's squad. For what it's worth, I would prefer a youth team at Shawbridge. |
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| petem | Jan 27 2014, 05:55 PM Post #3 |
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I couldn't have put it better myself Bob, I'm 110% with you on this. We are one of only a few clubs in our league that only operate with a first team, if other clubs can run more than one team then why can't we? How long will it be before Charlie Collinge gets fed up of warming the bench and subsequently leaves. Lads at this age want to be playing regular football and we could offer them this in a Reserve team. Another option could be to have closer links with Hurst Green or Rimmington, but not sure they would be interested. Rimmington have a youth team this season and play in the same league as Harrogate Town FC. We also have one of the best junior football clubs in the area, why is there no link with Clitheroe Wolves? If the club have any ambition and want to progress then they have to find a way to make this happen, if not it will be a case of same old same old. |
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| Lion's Den | Jan 27 2014, 07:25 PM Post #4 |
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Pete - put this date in your diary. It's taken a while, but today is the first day I might actually almost agree with you. Now to make sure that this fresh thinking results in fresh action, just drop me a quick line to tell me what role you personally want to take on delivering your ideas, and I will make sure the Board factors in your offer of support. |
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| petem | Jan 27 2014, 07:57 PM Post #5 |
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This is typical of the response I expected. When ever I suggest something that I think would be for the betterment of the club I get told to do it myself. |
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| bob kay | Jan 27 2014, 08:00 PM Post #6 |
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Now then Lions Den, I appreciate you have been involved with the club for many years so there is not much I can tell you about how things are run down there. It is the thick end of 10 years since Clitheroe had a reserve team and alright it did not work last time but I know of many people who would be prepared to muck in and get things going again. I appreciate this web site has only given me a couple of messages backing me so far but when I say ask the masses why dont you hand out a yes or no questionaire to all C F C supporters at next home game. If its a majority NO then I will never raise the matter again. Or is the board frightened of a democratic vote. That is a typical reply to you petem. Sorry to see nothing much has changed in last 7 years. Edited by bob kay, Jan 27 2014, 08:03 PM.
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| Lion's Den | Jan 27 2014, 08:03 PM Post #7 |
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Pete, happy not to disappoint. Actions speak louder than words. Do you genuinely think what you have said is in the slightest original or has not been discussed. We've plenty of armchair generals.
Edited by Lion's Den, Jan 27 2014, 08:04 PM.
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| petem | Jan 27 2014, 10:50 PM Post #8 |
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Chris, I don't want to get into a slanging match with you. I do believe that the small committee do an excellent job and the effort and time you put in is commendable. I don't think there is any need for you to become all defensive when someone suggests doing something different. |
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| Lion's Den | Jan 28 2014, 08:15 AM Post #9 |
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Pete, testiness appears to be one of the more enjoyable parts of getting a few extra years on the clock. What I really meant to say was, let's make our small band of helpers a slightly bigger band of helpers and then let's see which of these plans we can put into action. I personally think we're on the verge of something very exciting. We just need a few extra bodies to give the club an extra shove to take on more activity. |
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| garry kay | Jan 28 2014, 12:13 PM Post #10 |
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All this talk of a reserve team is a waste of time,its never going to happen.People need to wake up and smell the coffee.I'am just glad that the club is now starting to give local lads chance to play for their town team. |
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| andyh | Jan 28 2014, 08:04 PM Post #11 |
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Just for interest I've checked which clubs in our division have Reserve teams or not and which league they play in. Bamber Bridge None Burscough None Cammell Laird West Cheshire League Division One Clitheroe None Curzon Ashton Lancashire League West Division Darlington None Farsley West Riding FA U21 Floodlit League Harrogate Railway None Kendal Town None Lancaster City Lancashire League West Division Mossley None New Mills North West Counties League Reserve Division Northwich Victoria None (although unofficially linked to Northwich Flixton Villa - North West Counties League Div.1) Ossett Town Lancashire League East Division Ossett Albion Lancashire League East Division Padiham North West Counties League Reserve Division Prescot Cables West Cheshire League Division Two Radcliffe Borough None Ramsbottom United None Salford City None Wakefield None Warrington Town Cheshire League Division Two Interestingly most of those who don't run a reserve team either have of have links to an U18 team. Perhaps that may be the better option for us in the short/long term? |
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| Blue lion | Jan 29 2014, 07:05 AM Post #12 |
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Why dont we just have a feeder team say hurst green.players not geting in first team can play for them and if there's a player good there we have a look at him and if it doesn't work well he go back to hurst green.everyone's a winner and doesn't cost the club very little money
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| Peter Ryan | Jan 29 2014, 02:05 PM Post #13 |
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An under 18's would cater for players leaving junior football at 16. What league could they play in? |
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| andyh | Jan 29 2014, 06:18 PM Post #14 |
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This seems to be the biggest league in the North West for U18 teams. North West Youth Alliance |
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| garry kay | Jan 29 2014, 11:02 PM Post #15 |
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So they have an u18 team then where do they go when there to old to play at u18 level.I think theres a big gap between 18 and first team,this is why there should be a reserve team,but like I said in my last comments there will never be one because cfc have got use to running one team.I've lost count how many players clitheroe have signed over the last 8/9years since the reserve team folded,this is due to many players sat on the bench week in week out and left with no option but to go elsewhere.I just think cfc are stuck in a rut and lack ambition.To many good quality local lads never given a chance to play for there town.why? |
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| petem | Jan 30 2014, 07:49 AM Post #16 |
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Spot on Garry, there are plenty of local lads who given the right opportunities could make it to the first team, but not as it stands. If the club has real ambition then we should be looking at both an U18's and Reserve side. As far as having a feeder team do you think Hurst Green would be interested, I don't think they would. They seem to be doing very nicely in the West Lancs League under their own steam, why would they want us picking their best players and giving them our cast offs. |
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| Steve Rush | Jan 31 2014, 11:59 AM Post #17 |
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Other than paying my respects to Colin Wilson I have not posted on this message board for some time. This, however, is a very important topic and one of my favourite subjects. Firstly I agree wholeheartedly with Bob Kay. There are some interesting observations already posted but I would like to explain Clitheroe FC's make up at the time I finished as Chairman. The First team was still in the Lancs Comb, there was a reserve team playing in the East Lancs League and a youth team playing in the Blackburn Youth League. We had excellent connections with Clitheroe Wolves and once players had finished the u16 season with them they came to CFC as part of the Youth Team under Alan Wilkinson and Duncan Thomas (both Clitheroe lads). The Youth team was also entered in the FA youth trophy each season, which proved very exciting for both players and the club. I think I'm right when I say CFC youth team won the league title every season the team existed. Many of these players, Gary Jackson, Danny Woodhead, Matt Garner, Tom Benfield and many others started with Clitheroe Wolves and went on to make numerous first team appearances. Numerous other youngsters featured regularly in the reserve team being crowned champions and winning the cup on many occassions. Most of the reserve team success came under Dave Burgess who went on to become first team manager and chairman. In those days there was a tight nit family atmosphere within CFC between the first team, reserve team and youth team with many training sessions featuring all 3 teams. It meant hardly any players left the club because they felt part of something special. In my opinion CFC is not just about a first team but also has a responsibilty to provide the local community with a facilty. On this occassion that is a reserve team and a youth team. It is not an amalgamation with existing amateur teams. Of course it's hard work behind the scenes but anything worthwhile that has potential to create benefit usually is. I must point out that this is not a dig at the current set up. But I consider any first team craving success needs support in depth and that is what a reserve team and youth side would provide to the manager. |
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| Graeme Seedall | Jan 31 2014, 03:21 PM Post #18 |
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Just to try and keep you updated on things...... As manager of Hurst Green Fc i worked very closely with Paul Moore,and tried to be as open and as honest as possible about my knowledge of local player. Im glad to say that over the last week i've made contact with Simon Garner,and i've been impressed by his vision. It will of course take time to build a squad capable of challenging,and as a paying spectator,or even a member of this web page,its your choice whether you give him that time. All i can say that he like paul wants his best for Clitheore Fc,and by the sounds of things he's going to do his utmost to turn the club around,and in doing this he's looking at what the local area as to offer. Again i've been very open and honest with Simon,and in doing so it makes my job a hell of alot harder at Hurst Green as we are doing really well at present,and its taken a lot of effort to get us this far. Ive always wanted the best for my players,and i get a buzz when these lads manage to step up a level,or two,and you never know just how good they are until they are given that chance. In the last few weeks our striker Paul Coote as stepped up to the level,and managed to get on the score sheet twice,and got the man of the match last week,and after training twice with the club this week,two more Hurst Green players go into tomorrows squad. I'm made up for Oliver McClean and Daniel Mort,they are local lads who want to do well,and want to represent their town,so good luck to them both i hope it works out. I just hope people give them time,but like i say thats your choice. |
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| Lowmoorblue | Feb 1 2014, 10:23 PM Post #19 |
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Good to see constructive discussions on here and in the best interests of the team. Having an understanding of what is involved in running a sports club I can sympathise with the position the board are in and the problems running a reserves can cause both financially and in terms of volunteers, but also I think a youth/reserve team would benefit the club. Given the discussions here and the fact we were matchless, I found myself discussing this in the pub and a friend if mine mentioned supporters trusts. The team he supports in the calor league set up a trust with the intention of supplying funds for an extra player every year on the understanding all monies they raise go to that purpose. That.got me thinking as to whether that's a solution for our reserves.. Would fans be interested in supporting and raising funds for a trust fund on the proviso it is spent on youth or reserve footy? |
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| petem | Feb 2 2014, 01:41 PM Post #20 |
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Do we still have a supporters club and if so what do they do? |
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