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Protests
Topic Started: Sunday Jan 9 2011, 04:00 PM (134 Views)
Xamad
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I know some idiots who blew bubbles at cops at the g20 protests. Stupid children like that ruin it for those of us who are trying to have our political agendas acknowledged as opposed to preaching platitudes as solutions for problems we don't understand. If you're going to intentionally draw the attention of the police, they're going to give it to you and I don't think you'll like it. People with that type of attitude are a huge part of why those of us at the g20 for legitimate protest were brutalized.
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I'm a carefull protester, but it doesn't make a difference. Still had issues with Toronto being a new police state. Still had issues being associated with both anarchists using black block tactics and hippies who are out of their element. Still been hurt.

Still angry. Still protesting.

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Today I fainted on my way into the city, so I came home. I'm no use to the cause when I'm needing medical help. However I was going to a protest at Queens Park demanding a public inquiry into the police actions/brutality at the G20 protests and the weeks following. We've had a few, but had little progress. Only the NDP are encouraging such an endevour, and we'd need the Liberals on board too.

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Anarchists are idiots. You can't orgainize anarchy, you can't live in anarchy

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Not all anarchists are idiots. Noam Chomsky is a freaking genius, and he is an anarchist.
These particularly anarchists, like most, are idiots. They were scaring the crap out of me during our march and then I watched them light a cop car on fire and bust up a Starbucks while my friends ate sushi.

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When it becomes mob mentality the whole "protest" thing ceases to exist and it then becomes a pointless endeavour to invoke anarchy (which by the way is really hard when you are being stopped by people with GUNS!!!) (also anarchy does not last long in human society, or any society for that matter as the strong/ smart always are able to gain power).

However protesting something when you know the facts and are putting forth the motion that some of the facts may have been over looked... Thats more like it.

As for actions/brutality... The police didn't kill anyone (which by the way they were allowed to do no questions asked in certain areas). If they were ordered to protect a certain area by any means necessary than those that would oppose such a force are really really dumb.

Final note: The police had it under control at all times I don't think it ever got out of their control. They totally could have gone ape on the morons that set the cars on fires but they didn't because they were there to enforce the rules and not to harm the public unless completely necessary. In short I salute all those that did their part in keeping order.

I don't think you can be a "careful protestor". Any one who protests anything is already putting themselves at a higher risk of their well being. Because that is the whole point of protesting. Risking what you have to let your view be known. Let us look at history shall we?

Biblical Paul- death by decapitation
Gaundhi- shot
Martin Luther King Jr.- shot
John Lennon- shot
Tiananman square students- shot to pieces
Tank man- status unknown

The list goes on. So pretty much I find it somewhat hard to see from your view point that the police went "too far" seeing as they didn't kill anyone (that I know of).

However on further review of your post I realized that you said AFTER the G20 making what I just wrote slightly more invalid than I would have hoped for the meaning of this particular debate (However I would still like to know your opinion of the points I raised). As for the issue you are currently protesting I would like clarification/support of brutality after the G20.

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Phrixscreoth
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Offtopic: I see you got the quote thing working.
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Okay, I don't really see it being worth my time to explain all of the wrong up there.
I will, however, point out things that I saw with my own eyes that contribute to why I used the term "police brutality".
-an amputee had his artificial leg ripped away from him and he was screamed at to hop over to the police truck unassisted
-the police watched a police car burn without doing anything to stop the fire or to prevent it spreading
-citizens were mass arrested simply for being there, and given no legal council or calls out.
-I was not arrested, but people close to me who I trust more than the news anchor have described being shoved into police trucks with no explanation as to what they had done wrong or where they were going and left for upwards of three hours before being taken to the jail. They were given very little food and water while in detention and given no details about how long they would be there or even why they were there
-tear gas was used on people peacefully rallying
-rubber bullets were used, the police still deny this

The police were actually not allowed to do whatever they want. Bill Blair, the police chief, has said that they were legally entitled to do things that after the summit were revealed to have not been legal. They did not kill anyone but they infringed on our rights to protest peacefully, to not be arrested without cause, to legal council upon arrest, to not be beaten for carrying a poster, etc etc.

History is much longer than a handfull of bullet points. Protests are how social movements gain ground, and how civil rights are expanded. It is entirely possible to be a carefull protester, and to protest is not to put oneself at risk of being hurt to further a cause. That's called being a matyr.
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I think this is one of those discussions that can only truly be understood face to face.
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