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Signal & Parking Light Wiring; 15.09A Parking Lights
Topic Started: Mar 14 2009, 05:05 PM (1,569 Views)
tjwylie
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Hi folks,

I tried to find my earlier post but couldn't so I thought I'd start another. For those of you who tried to help me with the weird battery/shut-off issue I had, thank you. As it turns out I think the old alternator died, so it wasn't charging the battery at all so it just died. I installed a single wire alternator and gave the batter a charge and that did the trick!

My next challenge is wiring the front turn signals and getting the parking lights to work. I have isolated the parking light wire from the light switch...and I believe I have the two signal wires to the front signal lights. My question to you all is how is the second lead from the lights (not the lead from the signal switch) connected back to complete the circuit? Are these two leads supposed to be joined somehow? And how is the lead from the light switch for the parking lights incoporated into this wiring? I have tried to read the .gif wiring diagram files on the site but all of the criss-crossing and blurring trying to enlarge I can't follow the connections. :huh:

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Side question...is it possible to have low beams on a headlight work but high beams don't work? Isn't it the same bulb?

Thx,

TJ
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Issue one, on www.haflatfenders.com their is a 1960's owner manual. I am traveling and on a dial up or I would tell you witch section. It is a high resoltuion scan. Open it up in Adobe reader and tell it to fill the page. If you have Ledger paper it will bee even biger. Should be able to trace the wires.

Issue two, yes your high beams could be burnt out or you could have a wiring issue also.
Jamie Powers
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TJ,

I'm glad you got your alternator working. What kind did you use? What RPM do you have to get the engine up to before it starts charging? I saw where there is one with a low cut-in for use on "old tractors" etc. I was thinking about using that one.

As a quick start, have you seen the turn signal wiring instructions posted on the TECH TIPS Page? This might help you.

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Tech/SignalWiring.html

~ If your parking lights and your turn signals are the same light fixture, then you will have two wires from each light fixture. If you only have one wire from your front parking light fixture then you can't have a turn signal and a parking light.

We will start as if you have two wires in each light fixture. One for the parking light and one for the turn signal light.

Parking light; connect one wire from each front fixture together with a jumper wire. From that connection run a wire to the headlight switch connection that is on when the headlight switch is pulled half way out. This will be your running/parking lights.

Here is where you need to look at the burning bulb and see if it is burning dim or bright. It should be dim to be the parking light. There will be two filaments in the one bulb. Only one should be burning. One filament is for parking light, one for turn signal. (It is actually two bulbs in one glass.) You also need to be sure the light fixture is mounted well because the ground connection is made through these bolts. If it is burning bright,,, just swap the wires on the back of the light fixture.

The turn signals should now be easy. One wire from the turn signal switch to operate the left front light and one wire from the turn signal switch to operate the right front light.

~ As far as your headlights, the same holds true as for the turn signal bulb up front. It is two light bulbs in one glass. A bright and a dim. You can burn one out and the other will still work. It is very possible that both bright filaments are burned out. If no wiring has been changed, I think I'd start with new bulbs unless you have a volt/ohm meter and can test the bulb and the power to the sockets. But to let you know, it is possible that the dimmer switch could be bad, or wired wrong and that can cause the same results.

Hope this is what you needed. If not, hollar.

Good luck, stay in touch.
Don Norris
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tjwylie
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Hi guys,

sorry for the delay in responding...I have just now spent some time this afternoon working with your suggestions.

But first I went out and bought some new signal lights to ensure I was starting with good stock.

OK, so here's what I have now:
I took the two signal wires (or so I thought) and ran them to one of the two wires of the turn signals. Then ran a jumper between the two remaining wires of the signals and connected that jumper to the parking light lead from the headlight switch... here is the result...

right turn signal works great...nice and strong. However, when I try the left turn signal I get a VERY dim hazard effect on both turn signals(?). HOWEVER...if I turn on the parking lights, the right one works the left one doesn't, EXCEPT if the left turn signal is activated.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks again!

TJ

PS- I took the Jeep out for my first ride today since the breaks were run and the new alternator was installed...the first of the Spring. It was noisy, bumpy and rather stinky but sure was fun! :D

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tjwylie,Mar 22 2009
06:03 PM
Hi guys,

sorry for the delay in responding...I have just now spent some time this afternoon working with your suggestions.

But first I went out and bought some new signal lights to ensure I was starting with good stock.

OK, so here's what I have now:
I took the two signal wires (or so I thought) and ran them to one of the two wires of the turn signals. Then ran a jumper between the two remaining wires of the signals and connected that jumper to the parking light lead from the headlight switch... here is the result...

right turn signal works great...nice and strong. However, when I try the left turn signal I get a VERY dim hazard effect on both turn signals(?). HOWEVER...if I turn on the parking lights, the right one works the left one doesn't, EXCEPT if the left turn signal is activated.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks again!

TJ

PS- I took the Jeep out for my first ride today since the breaks were run and the new alternator was installed...the first of the Spring. It was noisy, bumpy and rather stinky but sure was fun! :D

TJ,,

Check your ground connections (mounting screws) for the light fixtures. It sounds like a bad ground to me.

Do you have a wirng diagram of your turn signal switch so you know which wire is which? New switch or old? Turn signal switch must also be groun ded well to steering column for built in indicator light to work.

PS Glad you got back on the road. Yep,, that bumpy and noisy sure is fun !!! :D
Don Norris
Southeast, NC

1953 CJ3B
1959 Jeep Pickup
195? M100 trailer
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well I am trying to make my old turn signal work (trying to keep as much of the vintage feel inside as possible), but maybe the best solution is to get a new signal and start from scratch. I am pretty sure the lights are grounded well...but maybe I'l try some steel wool and WD-40 to make sure.

Thanks guys, I'll let you know.

TJ
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tjwylie,Mar 30 2009
03:43 PM
well I am trying to make my old turn signal work (trying to keep as much of the vintage feel inside as possible), but maybe the best solution is to get a new signal and start from scratch. I am pretty sure the lights are grounded well...but maybe I'l try some steel wool and WD-40 to make sure.

Thanks guys, I'll let you know.

TJ

TJ,

Don't give up on the old switch yet. But I do need to ask,, what year CJ3B are you working on? What kind of turn signal switch do you have? Is it original or was it added on? Did it work before?

As far as the lights burning dim, the ground is a common problem, but so also is wiring the bulbs in series instead of parallel which can cause the same results.

Can you send me a few pictures of your work up to this point?

I hate to see you take some old equipment out just yet?

Donthedickens@aol.com
Don Norris
Southeast, NC

1953 CJ3B
1959 Jeep Pickup
195? M100 trailer
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To be honest Don, I'd have to go take a look and see if I can find the manufacturer.

It looks original enough...with a little round, green indicator light on the top of it. (I think that in itself is pretty cool!)

Mine is a '53 3B.

Does that help at all?

Thanks again for your help and interest.

Happy Easter/Holidays all!

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tjwylie,Apr 9 2009
04:30 PM
To be honest Don, I'd have to go take a look and see if I can find the manufacturer.

It looks original enough...with a little round, green indicator light on the top of it. (I think that in itself is pretty cool!)

Mine is a '53 3B.

Does that help at all?

Thanks again for your help and interest.

Happy Easter/Holidays all!

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TJ,
Yes, directional signal lights were available according to my 1953 parts manual. They are in Group 35-59 as Special Equipment & Accessories. I've never seen one of these turn signal switches so I can't tell you what they look like. I hope someone here on the BB can jump in here with a picture etc.

The 1953 CJ3B was 6 volt jeep. Are you running 6 volt?

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Don Norris
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1953 CJ3B
1959 Jeep Pickup
195? M100 trailer
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The trail never ends
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TJ,

Did you receive my (pvt.) e-mail regarding the flip out windshield outter frame?

Larry S.
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Here is a wiring diagram.


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tj, I have what I think is a vintage sig-flare model 800 switch on mine, on the
3B page there are other models with lights ... and wiring diagrams

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Tech/SignalWiring.html

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