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| johnstonjeep | Mar 29 2011, 04:08 PM Post #1 |
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Hi guys. I have a question regarding my starter. So, I started my jeep one evening ran fine, and then the next day I hopped in to take it for a drive but it just clicked in the solenoid. The battery is not dead so I'm guessing it's the starter? Please help me, or point me to a post that talks about this. Also, do any other jeep starters interchange with the cj3b? Thanks. |
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| pym | Mar 29 2011, 05:38 PM Post #2 |
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Hi, it ocurs to my 3B that the starter brush stay stucked because of moisture. It just ran Ok the day after. In order to help a little bit, you can hit gently on your starter hope that helps, PYM |
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| Rus Curtis | Mar 29 2011, 06:06 PM Post #3 |
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Johnston, You didn't give enough info to really dig in. Pym gave one suggestion - works good if you've got a bad spot on your starter and the vibration can bump it beyond that bad spot. Let's get back to the system. How do you know the battery is bad? How old is the battery? What's the voltage at rest? Under load (when engaging the starter)? How much amperage is the starter pulling? You mentioned noise when attempting a start. One click, then nothing? A series of rapid clicks? There are other posts that indicate rebuilds can be less expensive than replacements as you know your starter fits. There are other starter drop-ins that also work. A search for starter should help. |
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| jyotin | Mar 29 2011, 06:16 PM Post #4 |
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It is most likely the battery or a terminal with a high resistance connection. The battery is more likely. The simplest thing to try is to jump start the jeep. If the battery is low then it'll jump start fine. There are a lot of reasons for a marginally charged battery -- but if that is the case, and if nothing was left on while the jeep sat, then the battery could be bad. A test at a auto parts store can tell you that. If the battery tests OK, then I'd remove both ends of each terminal and clean them well. At the ground side you want shiny, unpainted metal to mate with shiny unpainted metal. Once securely fastened you can hit the joint with a rattle can paint touch up. I've had a three month old battery simply go bad before -- I didn't want to believe the battery was bad, but it was.... j |
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| Bob | Mar 29 2011, 08:18 PM Post #5 |
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That could also be either a grounding issue or a problem with the power wire going into the starter. I've had problems in the past with both of those. |
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| Doug | Mar 29 2011, 08:35 PM Post #6 |
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I agree that it sounds like a battery issue. I'd try a jump start like jyotin said. In the past, whenever I turned the key and heard clicks, it has been a battery or connection issue. If your battery is good, I would trace your 12V through the starting system and find out if it stops showing up somewhere prior to the starter. Faulty solenoid perhaps? That being said, if it does turn out to be your starter, check out this thread, 4th post down: HERE Here is another topic on replacement starters with part numbers: HERE Although I'm not real proud of it, I'm currently running a Toyota starter on my 3B. It works great and cost, I think, around $60. |
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| bobster | Mar 29 2011, 08:49 PM Post #7 |
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Cheaper to take starter off and have it rebuilt at a shop that rebuilds starters if u have one in ur area. |
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| johnstonjeep | Mar 31 2011, 11:12 AM Post #8 |
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Sorry guys ive been out for awhile. It's deffinatly not the Battery. I have tried different ones and still get the "click" out of the solenoid. It only clicks once every time i turn the key. Maybe it's the solenoid? When it started this i took every connection from the starter to the solenoid to the battery and cleaned them all really well and still just clicks. Before this happened the starter would works well and then every once in awhile just spin like it wasnt hitting anything. I pulled it out and the teeth are worn a little. Doug you said you have a toyota starter? What one? I would be interested in that. |
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| Doug | Mar 31 2011, 12:16 PM Post #9 |
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Here are some part numbers (I copied this from another post on another site): "You can use a starter from a 1964 thru 1983 Toyota Landcruiser 4.2L. Nippondenso Part number 02800-2362/4. O'reillys Auto Parts sells it under Ultima Part # 16224 You can also find it under a Lester rebuilt # 16224 Or you can find it under an ACE rebuilt # 649." If you have a voltmeter, you can check the solenoid, probably be much easier with a helper. Should have 12V sitting on one of the large terminals from the battery. When you turn your key to "start" you should have 12V to the small terminal on the solenoid. That should activate the solenoid and basically short the two large terminals together - allowing power to flow from the battery, through the solenoid and to the starter. If you get 12V at the small terminal and not at the second large terminal, your solenoid is probably bad. If you don't get 12V at the small terminal, you have a problem elsewhere. If you don't have a meter, I'd jumper the two large posts together and see if your engine turns over. Make sure you have it in NEUTRAL and the parking brake set and your wheels blocked or you'll likely get run over. I've used a large screwdriver as a jumper before. |
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| Got-the-willys | Mar 31 2011, 02:07 PM Post #10 |
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not a bad tool to have and will help with your trouble shooting to determin your flaw in the starting system http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...iw=1247&bih=794 |
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| Rus Curtis | Mar 31 2011, 03:42 PM Post #11 |
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Based on your second post and the available information, I'm now in the solenoid camp. I think I understand you to have an external solenoid on your starter. It will be much easier to have that part replaced, IMHO, than to retrofit another component that will also need service down the road. The Toyota starter sounds like a good idea if there are catastrophic problems with your entire starter and waiting or price become an obstacle. A bad solenoid should be neither. Good luck with the fix. |
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| johnstonjeep | Mar 31 2011, 06:02 PM Post #12 |
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Awesome, Thanks for all the incredible info guys. I will let you know what i find out! |
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| johnstonjeep | Apr 7 2011, 04:35 PM Post #13 |
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Ok guys, HELP! I got a 1977 land cruiser starter and the bolt pattern is not wide enough. Why is this? |
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| Doug | Apr 7 2011, 05:15 PM Post #14 |
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If it's not wide enough, it should be JUST BARELY not wide enough. I had to oval the bolt holes on the starter with a file. Didn't take much. Others who did the swap had to do the same thing. Forgot to mention that before - sorry. I take it that the solenoid was not your problem? |
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| johnstonjeep | Apr 8 2011, 12:01 AM Post #15 |
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Oh. That makes sense. havnt checked the solenoid yet only because my starter was starting to go bad anyways and my brother had and extra landcruiser one. Thanks Doug, i'll check that tomorrow and let you guys know what i find. Johnston. |
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