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Topic Started: Mar 29 2011, 04:08 PM (3,127 Views)
johnstonjeep
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So i got the starter in there. Is there ant pictures that show how to hook up the wiring for that toyota starter? It seems like i had to drill out those holes quite a bit.
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Doug
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Hope you got the right starter; the one I got I was able to enlarge those holes with a round file and it only took a minute or two.

Here are a couple pics:

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If your new starter has the solenoid attached like mine, you just need the cable from the battery on the large post and the small wire (yellow in the pics) is from the ignition switch. Hope this helps some.
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So, im gonna show you a few pics of what my starter is doing. I know for sure that it's the same starter that you told me about but it isnt seeting into the bellhousing like it should. Also look at my gas pedal linkage in the picture. The new starter is now in the way of the linkage, unlike other 3b's mine goes behind the engine instead of over. Is this normal? [url=[IMG]http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z470/grahamjohnston2000/birthdayandparts088.jpg[/IMG]]jeep[/URL]
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Did you compare the new starter gear with the old? Maybe they're different? If you slightly loosen all the bolts so you have some play in the plate between the bell housing and the engine, will that help at all? I didn't run into any of these problems.

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1969 CJ5 - Dauntless V6, T-14, D-18
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Here is a picture of the bell housing. See how its not matched up just right, thats what is creating it from seeting all the way in. Also, do you have idea what that lower hole is for?[url=[IMG]http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z470/grahamjohnston2000/famandjeepSPRING016.jpg[/IMG]]jeep[/URL]
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At this point, if I were you, I think I'd search out someone who can rebuild your original starter and return the Toyota starter. Even if you can get the Toyota starter to seat in there, you're still left with the accelerator linkage problem which you don't have with the original.

Actually, I'd take the original starter and have it tested first. Ensure it's bad before you do anything more with it.
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Viewing timing marks on the flywheel....

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johnstonjeep
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Yeah I've been thinking that same thing Doug. So that makes sense that about the viewing hole but are they normaly covered up? It seems like mud and water could get in there pretty easy?

Also, Doug have you seen the throtle linkage like that before?
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My engine, which I think was originally from a Willys pickup, had the bracket that bolts to the back of the block like yours. Someone else will have to chime in here as to which vehicles used the linkage like yours.

sorry this has been such a big pain for you. I had my new starter installed in an hour or so and that is with enlarging the holes.
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Oh boy,
That's an early 1949 to 1952 Hurricane taken from a SW or a PU.

I don't use Toyota parts myself but I imajine that...
That Toyota starter bendix will not mate to the ring gear of that particular flywheel.
Count the flywheel teeth.
I figure it has 97 teeth and not 126 teeth like a 3B ring gear.
Also the CJ-3B never had timing marks upon the flywheel.

Even the bellhousing is different and thats why the starter does not even bolt up.
A 3B bellhousing will only have one threaded bolt hole for the starter.

That throttle linkage is only correct for early SW and PU.

And also your 3B was obviously using an early pre 1953 design 6 volt starter.
That starter should interchange with any pre 1953 Jeep having 134 Go-Devil or Hurricane engine.
Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B .
Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963)

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Thanks for the history oldtime. That will help me tons with finding another starter. I know a guys with alot of pre 53 jeeps! I was also noticing that my valve cover doesnt have a breather hole like some of the 3b pctures ive seen.
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If you change over to the correct ring gear (126 tooth) and install one of the 3B or a CJ5 bellhousing;
then the Yota part should fit.
Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B .
Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963)

http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new
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Alright, i finally have some money saved up! I wanted to get my starter rebuilt but the guy said it would be around $300! does anyone know where i can get a used one? oldtime said this one is from a sw or pu willys.

Please help.
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$300 to rebuild a starter? What did you end up doing? You could have sent it to me, I would have ran it down the street to the guy that did mine for $75
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