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| jeepdan | Feb 17 2013, 07:30 PM Post #1 |
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I found and bought these vintage tow hooks to install on the front of my 64 US Army CJ-3B. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-68-Jeep-Co...cvip=true&rt=nc By zooming in on the tow hooks pictured on the Military Police 3B http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Military/Massawa.html they sure look the same, and I plan on using them. Oldtime, can you verifiy this through your collection of manuals? |
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| HOGHEAD | Feb 18 2013, 06:47 AM Post #2 |
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I've got a set just like them going on mine,, They came off a 50s Mack Dump truck .... heavy duty for sure ,,, |
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Dargan Md... Death Before 2 Wheel Drive... "On a Steel Horse I ride" AMC Rules. "Journey" not the Destination... 59 Cj3-b (married to a 74 Cj-5 frame & AMC running gear) Willys Overland,, My Build http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...?showtopic=2892 | |
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| oldtime | Feb 18 2013, 07:45 PM Post #3 |
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Sorry Dan, I find no reference to any tow hooks in any of the Universal Parts Lists. Seemingly they were never intended for any universals. My 1973 Universal Parts Catalog also covers the early Jeepster/Commando models but it has no reference either. |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| jeepdan | Feb 19 2013, 08:29 AM Post #4 |
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Thanks oldtime for taking the time to research my question. Maybe that particular Army unit installed the tow hooks on the CJ-3B after adding it to the motor pool. Since the tow hooks that I found, look identical to the ones in the picture, I think it would be "historically correct", (OK) to add them. Funny how a look into the past can raise as many questions as answers are found. |
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| jeepdan | Feb 21 2013, 04:28 PM Post #5 |
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I received the tow hooks in the mail today. The bolt hole spacing for the 1/2" holes are identical to the holes in the frame horns, and the rear holes in the hooks are tilted upward just slightly to conform with the frame surface Coincidence?? |
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| oldtime | Feb 22 2013, 11:03 AM Post #6 |
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They could certainly be Jeep manufactured tow hooks. A small multitude of Jeep parts were produced that never made it into the various published parts lists. Jeep Corporation must have kept some sort of master parts list that included absolutely every little piece that they ever used. Example: They certainly would have had a seperate part number for each and every individual piece of a windshield weldment. |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| Joe Friday | Feb 24 2013, 11:10 AM Post #7 |
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Those tow hooks look to be identical to the marine corp hooks from the MB/V35. They still make them today, and they have a Jeep part number from the 1940's. I don't know for sure if they were used on the M606 though. |
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| jeepdan | Feb 24 2013, 04:03 PM Post #8 |
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Wow, interesting! Thanks Joe! And yes, there are part numbers on each hook, although some digits are illegible from use. I googled CJ/V35 marine jeep, and yes, they look the same. Were they a factory applied part used on the US Army CJ-3B under that Federal Contract, or added later by just good ole GI ingenuity and resourcefullness? The quest goes on. |
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| Joe Friday | Feb 26 2013, 04:46 PM Post #9 |
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I don't have an image host so I'll have to just type the data... as of 3-15-56, from the CJ3B BOM, group 226-244A, Specifically BOM6271, Tow hooks were an option on CJ3B. The installation drawing was 909922 Left Hook = A-5219 Right Hook = A-5220 Supplier = Holland hitch Available AT LEAST through 5-31-62 when they changed the group number and started listing the BOM differently. (The numbers on your hooks are holland #'s not the Willys #'s listed above.) |
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| jeepdan | Feb 28 2013, 10:06 AM Post #10 |
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This is all very interesting info about a Jeep option that I didn't know about. So it's conceivable that jeep continued to have these as an option but dropped the original jeep part numbers around 1962? My hooks have a #1257L and #1257R on them along with some other numbers. The Holland Hitch website shows their hooks currently have a "TH" before the numbers. http://ww1.safholland.us/quicklit/XL-PH220-01_en-US.pdf |
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| Joe Friday | Feb 28 2013, 10:39 AM Post #11 |
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I'm not saying they stopped using them, I just didn't take the time to check the later records. I'm busy trying to find when ( if ever) they used M606 as a separate model designation internally, for domestic use. |
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| jeepdan | Feb 28 2013, 11:17 AM Post #12 |
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I'm sorry, I missunderstood. I will stay tuned for more info.
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Dan Walton Jr. Wheeling, WV 1964 U.S. Army CJ3B ( pride and joy) 1967 Kaiser Jeep M715 (my newest pride and joy) 2016 Jeep Wrangler JKU- Black Bear Edition (daily driver) 91 Grand Wagoneer (in storage) Two 56 Willys pickups (one, restoration started, never finished) 1966 M416 1/4 Ton trailer | |
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| oldtime | Feb 28 2013, 07:16 PM Post #13 |
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Those are not Jeep part numbers.... |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| Joe Friday | Feb 28 2013, 10:09 PM Post #14 |
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Can't post photos but here is the BOM page. http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/m...B_Tow_Hooks.jpg Your hooks are an authentic approved willys part, and the 1257 L and R are as specified by Willys for the holland hitch hooks. http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/B...ge_12_of_18.jpg |
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| Joe Friday | Mar 1 2013, 04:08 PM Post #15 |
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