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DJ3A DISPATCHER CONVERTIBLE; RESEARCH THREAD
Topic Started: Dec 6 2013, 05:39 PM (10,280 Views)
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STEVE :  I find it interesting that this air filter is so rarely seen, as the 'oil bath filter' was listed as an 'option' for all the Dispatchers, not just the Surreys and convertibles.at least on the "Specification" sheet I saw. I also remember seeing that Bruce's Blue Dispatcher 'with a tailgate' had one.


Strongly believe the printed information is backwards, wrong, and it wasn't the oil bath air filter that was the option .

Note: on mine there are NO holes in the firewall, filled in or otherwise for a oil bath air cleaners brackets.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Note: on mine there are NO holes in the firewall, filled in or otherwise for a oil bath air cleaners brackets.


...but doesn't that suggest holes were only needed for the 'optional oilbath filter and brackets'? More parts, more work, more money required.

Since you seem to have more pics, can you tell how the top is fastened to the windshield frame? It may be that the owner either was or knew an upholsterer that came up with the idea of splitting the top. I doubt if the tie-wraps were originally part of the design tho. :-)

While we are talking 'heat and tops', I have a question for those with possible experience...

Which is more durable and/or cooler material for a Strapless Bikini Top, the Black Denim, or the Black vinyl, especially for down here in South Florida heat and sun?

This is all good stuff to see evolve. I love seeing the 'creativity' and 'problem solving'... after the fact. Never too old to learn new tricks. Thanks!
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In the DJ3A Parts list dated Feb. 1956 there are two air cleaners listed: Group 12-05 Air Cleaner- Oil Bath Part # 645367 which is pictured and looks like a standard dash mounted air cleaner. In Group 12-05A Air Cleaner- Dry Type Part # 905743 No picture is shown, but we've seen a very few of those little suckers on DJ3A's.
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Oh, About that defroster shown on Page 14 pix: I also have that part on my 1963 CJ3B. It is only found on the later DJ3A's with the right side vent. Someone will tell us when that feature started. Bruce Agan linked the 62-65 Parts List which shows on P. 212 a bunch of model specific parts including the DJ3A. I had my Colorado Rocky Mountain CJ3B at Stowe, VT. Car Show this last weekend to play in the mud & drive around town. Sure needed that defroster and the Koenig winch. Now we have it on a DJ3A which was obviously sold in COLD COUNTRY.

Both found/shown in the 1962-65 parts lists
if anyone doesn't have that list it can be found at
http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=2160

The new, optional heater was introduced, apparently during the 1959 model year, with an exterior fresh air intake and a windshield defroster. The intake was through an approx. 4" hole in the right side of the body, covered by a wire screen. If the new heater was not installed, the hole was covered by a round metal plate (20K JPEG). A photo of the late Janet Wathen Clark driving a brand new 1961 3B (100K JPEG) shows the plate painted black.

The hose for the defroster passed through an approx. 2 1/2" hole in the dash above the steering column, which was covered with a metal plug if the defroster was not installed. The February 1962 Jeep Universal Parts List lists it as the "Heater and Defroster, Fresh Air" including the defroster hose, windshield-mounted defroster manifold, and air inlet screen. We have narrowed down the introduction of the holes in the bodywork to between VIN's 5734851099 and 5734853243 in 1959.
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I've also heard " standard" for the first word...

Good stuff ....thanks everyone who shared info on the is new find.
59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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F Bill,Aug 15 2014
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I've also heard " standard" for the first word...

Good stuff ....thanks everyone who shared info on the is new find.

Standard will work! I was afraid you was going to use the other s word.


You know, the one that ends with a 'D'!!! :D :D



I went back and checked my notes. There's another 56 I know of that's got a heater too. (No defroster :) )

That makes two known with heater and defrosters and three early ones, (one scrapped) that had heaters only.


I hope these fit ALA's. I was going to make some but for the price I couldn't lose here. Besides that if they don't, I'm sure they can be easily modified.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/281403648316

Note, I made an offer of 5.00 each for four of them and the seller accepted. Total cost, 26.00 for four including shipping.

Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Closer looks at this beauty indicate it has been involved in a makeover. Like overspray of paint on the pedals for the dash repaint, and the color coding of the headlight cans, not like most I've seen, including mine, where the cans are bare metal, not painted.

Also, the driver's side shot of the body shows that the drain hole and body seam are gone suggesting some major bodywork has been done. Add the color coded seats and new top, and this may not be the all original we thought, but a nicely restored version with some creativity involved. Still a nice one in excellent shape for someone. I've seen Surrys with similar seats as well as the 60% style usually seen in historic pics of the convertible. These seats,options? or personal choice?

Does anyone have a clue what the empty holes left of the steering shaft on the dash might have been for? Say maybe a heater control or something?

I wonder how many more of these little gems are out there hiding and waiting to be found and given a new life?
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And for the sum of one thousand three hundred sixty seven dollars and forty eight cents!!!




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Optional equipment extra!!!
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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F Bill
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One of each please, assorted colors. :D The check is in the mail, honest..

Interesting artist's rendition on the convertible.. Looks like a modified black and white photo. Notice the bumpers?(Surrey Chrome ones!)
59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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F Bill,Nov 9 2014
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One of each please, assorted colors. :D The check is in the mail, honest..

Interesting artist's rendition on the convertible.. Looks like a modified black and white photo. Notice the bumpers?(Surrey Chrome ones!)



Been missing you Bill and that's a fact!!


Anyway that particular ad was dated

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EWILLYS:  Here’s a DJ-3A Dispatcher Ad from January 6,1956, published in the Herald Statesmen in Yonkers, NY. If you lived in Elmira, New York, you’d have seen the same ad, but with a price that was over $200 more ($1583)! Carmel, New York, had the best price at $1249.



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Gotta remember though that options like heaters, 100mph speedometer, and chrome bumpers, white wall tires, maybe fancy hubcaps, side steps, and such are likely going to drive the price up a little bit! :)

AT LEAST THEY DID FOR ME!!

Well I did get good steps with the jeep and I'll be minus the chrome bumper
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Just a couple of observations to comment on, one, on the two Dispatcher ads, the second and clearer version has an artist attempt to fit in 3A type sections under the glass which is wrong, but they did get the turn fasteners accurately shown on the top. Secondly, on the referenced convertible for sale is a comment about the shorter 3B type windshield not having the standard channel on it, but in the recent 3B section post of the soldier standing by his military 3B, the channel is clearly there. We need to be careful using definitive terms like 'only, not, never, etc' as I don't think there was much of anything with these Dj's that was 'absolutely standard'...but, it's all interesting to see and discuss what 'might have been'... and to me, that's what makes them 'special, different, and maybe each unique' in their own way....but maybe it's just me thinking that. I really enjoy the pics and discussions. Thanks!
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Steve K, I agree with you about making definitive statements. Colin and I have been playing with The DJ3A Production / Survivor List for about 4 years now. Whenever we think we have a solid fact, some example comes along to dispute it. We've had lots of fun playing with Willys History, but I think Willys, during these years, would produce anything they had an order for, with whatever parts were on the shelf. For instance my Miss Willy, 56337 10488, has no tailgate, was never a convertible or Surrey, has no tailgate and has a floor shift with no evidence of column shift along with several other features not in regular production. Willys was not like the Big Three. When you got CASH, you built something, no matter if it didn't conform. With Derek's The CJ3B Page site, we learn more each day.
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Only DJ3A open bodies equipped with the convertible package had the shorter style CJ3B windshield. A lot of confusion had to be overcome because there’s a pic in the manuals showing this windshield with a channel attached instead of holes for the turn fasteners that is WRONG!



To clarify......this statement I have to stand by, for now at least. :)

The DJ3A manuals show a CJ3B type windshield with a channel clearly pictured.

No convertibles found to date have this channel. Holes for turn fasteners were substituted in every known example I'v found or questions asked.

My answer in no way was intended to reference anything about CJ3B's except for the 'style' of windshield ......which of course do have the channel attached to the tops of 'their' windshield.

This is something I'v stated about convertibles many times and is indeed one of the reasons I started this thread.

The fact that I make this statement....as with any theory....can also be construed as an opportunity for new discussion which might bring forth further evidence.

I don't understand what a pic of a cj3b with channel on windshield has to do with a Dj3A with the convertible package.

Notice I included both open bodies and open bodies with the convertible package in the quoted statement.

I do agree with the right money any option desired could easily be bought, substituted, or added to not only a DJ but to any civilian jeep, even straight from the factory or dealer....

I also think we all agree that artist renderings can't be relied on and some facts in the old manuals
are wrong and need to be clarified or explained when possible.

Charles
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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F Bill,Nov 1 2013
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Finally got under the fleet of DJ's and now you have me wondering just what happened to my jeeps before I got them. Not one has the same springs as the next.

    I have the red convertible with 3 leaf packs on all four corners. I can see a stenciled part number (unreadable) on them, looks like they may have been replaced at some point. They are a thicker, non tapered leaf.

My Surrey has 5 and 7 leaf packs, tapered leaves, with some added leaves to level it out at some point.  In fact all my jeeps except the red one have had springs worked on and leaves added to the left sides. Leaves are tapered along each side. One jeep has a left front spring from who knows what with a wide groove down the middle of the spring.

Basic loaded length is about 36 inches on the front springs eye to eye, and 42 on the rears. Measuring these with a junk tape measure and going around things like axles and shocks so I wouldn't call them gospel, just ballpark. Front shackles are a standard looking stamped steel thing with two bolts, not the c shaped ones of the 2A models. Rear shackles are as well. Some pivot bolts had grease fittings still at the inboard end of the spring.

Need any more info?

Got any spacer blocks under your springs? Most of mine still have them in the rear.




It's been a looong time since that post was made. Bill was helping me figure out what kind of springs should be under my 1956 DJ Open Body Convertible. At the time my front axle was bent and my rear axle had been replaced with a Ford Pinto Axle. All of my springs on it were a mess. That's 'mostly' been rectified by now.


When I brought the rusty 1963 DJ3A Convertible home from Texas it also had three leaf spring packs. The problem there is one of the front ones is broken. Inquires to try to find a used one for replacement have been fruitless. Eventually I 'may' have some made.

Up until this point I only knew that the 3 leaf packs were a listed option for the 'open body' DJ3A's or equipped with the 'fastback convertible' package.




Then tonight I spotted this.


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Some of you will recognize that SURREY just as I did. But for me that's now THREE DJ3A's that I have actual documentation of as being equipped with three leaf spring packs.

FBILLS Fastback convertible

My 1963 Fastback convertible

AND this mystery :) but very original.....and very recognizable 1963 Willys DJ3A SURREY!!


There MAY be more out there. If there are I'd love to have more information about them!

Charles
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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More information concerning early soft top convertibles.

See

http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...0#entry22343159


For more details

Charles
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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