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Various DJ Parts Restorations ; intertwined with Off Topic
Topic Started: Jan 19 2014, 01:23 AM (16,078 Views)
garyc1955
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Fastener like those ,were used to bolt my radiator in my 64 3b.Gary
1964 cj3b ,extremely rust free seems mostly unmolested and starting a restore in southern New Mexico
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F Bill,Jul 23 2014
07:23 AM
Just a theory, and ONLY that...Is it possible Willys was trying to eliminate the long standing problem of the brackets breaking with stress cracks by allowing some flex in the setup?




I like theories , especially when there arent answers and I agree. Listings on eBay both active and ended show several examples of the oil filter brackets, some that look like they have 'built in or welded on tapped nuts or plates?? at the same location. Several examples with stress cracks mixed in with them. Also there seem to be several different types of brackets over the years.


However note if that Is something they tried it didn't exactly work. My Ohio bracket which still had one of its 'screw bolt ' type setup at the same location on its bracket also has a huge stress crack, even bigger than the examples listed on eBay.

I also have a strong suspicion that these are factory to my dj's original motor. I don't think it could be an accident that this type fastener setup, odd as those bolts are, show up both on a Arkansas motor and a exact duplicate of that old bolt and pal-nut on the same bracket on a Ohio motor, both of them bought from hundreds of miles apart from each other.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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garyc1955,Jul 23 2014
08:16 PM
Fastener like those ,were used to bolt my radiator in my 64 3b.Gary

Sorry Gary, I missed your post while I was writing. Thanks a bunch for your verification that willys did indeed have uses for this type of fastener.

Screw bolts I call them for want of the right term!!!!:)

You can bet I'm going to be checking the fasteners on my radiator to see if they match.

Edit: I went out and checked. The fasteners on my radiator are similar but the threads aren't as wide apart as the ones shown on my oil filter bracket.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC,Jul 23 2014
09:20 PM


I also  have a strong suspicion that these are factory to my dj's original motor.  I don't think it could be an accident that this type fastener setup, odd as those bolts are, show up both on a Arkansas motor and a exact duplicate of that old bolt and pal-nut on the same bracket on a Ohio motor, both of them bought from hundreds of miles apart from each other.

That makes a heck of a lot of sense....I think you are on to something...question is....did it stay that way for every year of DJ production or, is that a particular range of years only?? I do dimly remember seeing those fasteners somewhere on a 3B I used to have, now that is was mentioned..
I'm sure that a search of McMaster Carr or Fastenal might tell us what the name of those is....It is still used in things like lawnmowers to attach two fairly weak or thin parts to each other..
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As bad as I've wanted to haven't gotten much work done on the Dj this week other than get the gaskets and water pump I ordered installed. I did manage to acquire correct bolts nuts and big ole star washers for the steering box but nothing done there either. (Only had one and of course needed three to attach it to the frame, correctly. Column shift mechanism not rebuilt yet either.

In fact hurting so bad I can't hardly move at all. Problem is spelled k-i-d-n-e-y-s.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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.question is....did it stay that way for every year of DJ production or, is that a particular range of years only?? ..


That's a question I would dearly love to know the answer too!!!
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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So today I went to crank the lawn mower and DEAD BATTERY.

Don't have a clue why, it was only almost 6 years old and had been getting weak. Lately I've been charging it before using but oh no, not today. Wouldn't take a charge at all.

Per some advice I'd recently read about getting extra life out of battery's I decided to try some of it out.

First I removed the battery and poured the old acid in a plastic container.

Then I poured some coke into the cells because we were out of baking soda.

Poured that out and rinsed it out good with a water hose.

I didn't have any distilled water handy which is what I'd read to use but I did have some fresh battery acid, so I filed it up and re-installed on the mower.

Before I hooked the charger back up I decided to 'just turn the key' to see what would happen.


THE THING FIRED RIGHT UP, just like magic. I didn't even have to USE the charger!!!

Wound up mowing both my yard and my dad's yard, killing and restarting the mower several times with no problems.

Don't know how long it'll last but I've got two weak battery's on my tractor and the ones on my truck are getting old too, maybe they're due for the same treatment!!!

Sure wish I had an old 6 volt jeep battery that hadn't ever been frozen, I'd try it on one of them too!!!! :)

Ps. It's said that you can let that old acid sit awhile and let the lead contaminating it settle to the bottom, strain off the top gently, and you can re-use.

Ps. Battery acid can be DANGEROUS , don't try this if you aren't comfortable with handling HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS!!!
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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1. Discovered with Kens help I've pretty much got a station wagon carburetor on my Dj. :(

2. Discovered the distributor cap I broke (it was a nice one too with brass terminals) is off of a Autolite IAY Distributer. :( O'Rileys said they 'might' be able to find one if I'd give them two or three weeks. They reported it certainly wasn't available from any of their regular vendors.


Ps. DJ3A's had a; IAY-4012 or IAY-4401 distributer. Apparently that's the exact one that's hard to find a cap for.



3. Popped the top of the old fuel pump and of COURSE the diaphragm is about shot!!

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Sooo, now I've got to find sources for a

1. IAY distributer cap


2. At the least a diaphragm for the fuel pump (hopefully everything else will clean up)
3. And ahem....

A Carter YF 2392 S .
Which according to oldtime
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The specifications for the 2392 S are not identical to the more commonly found Jeep YF carburetors


And now from me..

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Of course they're not!!!!


Because they're exclusive to and ONLY FOUND on maybe a handful of surviving DJ's or stuck hiding out on a old dusty shelf somewhere!!


What a way to start a week!!

PS. Chances are so slim so no need of posting it anywhere else.

WANTED: to BEG, BORROW, BUY OR TRADE FOR :) one CARTER YF 2392S carburetor!!! :D


EDIT: further research 'seems' to indicate that the correct distributer cap for DJ3A's IAY distributer is ECHLIN PART NUMBER AL 110..... not so impossible to find after all it seems once I found out exactly what I was looking for.


Whew, glad I got that out of the way!!! B)
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Ok. Bought a pair of nos of the Echlin AL 110 distributer caps (the older ones with the brass contacts) for 8.50 each including shipping. Not much difference in that price as the newer ones with aluminum contacts so Whaaa hoooo.

Now I need 'available or good part numbers for the rotor, 6v condenser and maybe a extra set of points.

Also guessing by now that old glass top fuel pump is the wrong part # for a Dj too but that'll take even more cyphering to figure out.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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My NAPA search gave me points#ECH CS725A, rotor#ECH AL130, condensor#ECH AL868(12V) #ECH AL116(6V).

I read somewhere that 12V using 6V condenser gives a hotter spark, but haven't experimented with it yet. Has anyone tried that?

Also, has anyone found a difference in spark plug types to use? Both Autolite and Champion show multiple numbers, some in stock and others have to be ordered. For example, Chamion #CHA871 (in stock) and #CHA8711 (order). What's the significance of the extra 1 on the part number?
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SteveK,Jul 29 2014
05:47 AM
My NAPA search gave me points#ECH CS725A, rotor#ECH AL130, condensor#ECH AL868(12V) #ECH AL116(6V).

I read somewhere that 12V using 6V condenser gives a hotter spark, but haven't experimented with it yet.  Has anyone tried that?

Also, has anyone found a difference in spark plug types to use?  Both Autolite and Champion show multiple numbers, some in stock and others have to be ordered.  For example, Chamion #CHA871 (in stock) and #CHA8711 (order).  What's the significance of the extra 1 on the part number?

Thanks Steve, trying to find those numbers was about to drive me NUTS.

As a return favor I looked up the specs on the referenced spark plugs.

The only difference I spotted was the tip material.

Champion® - Spark Plug 871 1
Universal Product
Plug Type: RJ8C
Hex Size: 13/16"
Reach: 0.375
Seat: Gasket
Spark Plug Tip Material: Copper Cored Nickel
Spark Plug Type: Copper Plus Small Engine
Thread Diameter (mm): 14
Hex Size (In): 13/16 Inch
Seat: Gasket
Thread Size: 14mm
Tip Material: Copper


Champion® Copper Plus - Spark Plug 871
2 year limited warranty
UPC: 37551000562
Plug Type: RJ8C
Hex Size: 13/16"
Reach: 0.375
Seat: Gasket
Spark Plug Tip Material: Copper Cored Nickel
Spark Plug Type: Copper Plus Small Engine
Thread Diameter (mm): 14
Hex Size (In): 13/16 Inch
Seat: Gasket
Thread Size: 14mm
Tip Material: Nickel Copper Alloy

Detailed Description
Hex Size:13/16"
Reach:0.375
Seat:Gasket
Spark Plug Tip Material:Copper Cored Nickel
Spark Plug Type:Copper Plus Small Engine
Thread Diameter (mm):14
Additional Details
Heat Range: 8
Resistor Plug: Yes
Center Electrode Diameter (In): 0.100 Inch
Center Electrode Material: Nickel Copper Alloy
Ground Electrode Material: Nickel Copper Alloy
Gap (In): 0.027 To 0.033 Inch
Installed Height (In): 2.24 Inch
Gap (mm): 0.69mm To 0.84mm
Radius (In): 0.375 Inch
Reach (In): 0.375 Inch
Taper Diameter (In): 0.25 Inch
Insulator Material: Zirconia Enhanced
Ribbed Core Nose: No
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Thanks, and looking at the specs still gets confusing, for me anyway.

The first and second descriptions have 2 tip material descriptions each (871=copper tip), and the third, unidentified to who the details belong, has a 'tip' material with a core indicated, and a center electrode material, and a ground electrode material listed?

Why can't they use the same format for descriptions? This was the same problem I found when looking at brake drums trying to compare different part numbers...different info types found.

GIGO rules, and this probably helps explain why it is so hard to find a sales rep that 'knows' the products and can help you with odd ball stuff when attempting mixing and matching. They just push a button and you can either buy that one or not, unless you do a lot of your own homework.

Copper should be the better conductor, but seemingly less durable than the alloy...then there's the multi-tip plugs to consider, or even the tipless ring-fires...
Hmmmmmm??????????
SteveK
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The second and third go together.

Agreed on the parts, it's hard to figure out. The plugs in my Dj now are ac delco R45 but they'll need replaced due to rust issues.

Ps if you need a distributer cap I've got an extra coming. If so then it's yours and I'll send it to you.

I'm getting forgetful. While looking for the fuel pump that came with the ohio motor (it's here 'somewhere' and as I remember it didn't have the glass bowl, I ran across a nos water pump from ohio I'd forgotten about....after I just bought one and installed it.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Here 4 available options besides NOS antique plugs.


MAKE / NUMBER

AUTOLITE / 295
CHAMPION / J8C
AC / R45
NGK / B6Y

I've always preferred the Champion over the other 2 U.S. made plugs.

The old Champions used to be just J8 now they have a copper electrode plating.
The AC used to be just 45 but it now is only available as a resistor plug.
I would certainly shy away from "R" resistor type plugs.
The Autolite used to be A-7.
The NGK is relatively new and I like there performance very well.
Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B .
Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963)

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Thanks Ken, another problem solved.
Champion J8C it is!!! Quick, easy, and even better...AFFORDABLE!!

While we're on the subject I've got one more question that's been in the back of my mind that I haven't addressed yet.

Spark plug wires. Should we be looking for solid core wires, or is something more modern sufficient?


Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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