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Various DJ Parts Restorations ; intertwined with Off Topic
Topic Started: Jan 19 2014, 01:23 AM (16,076 Views)
SteveK
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Speaking of 'oil filters', I found Advance Discount Auto Parts carries the Fram #P3 (like stated on my decal) for $6.95, and on the shelf in stock!!! That was a shocker.
SteveK
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PapaC
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SteveK,Aug 2 2014
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Speaking of 'oil filters', I found Advance Discount Auto Parts carries the Fram #P3 (like stated on my decal) for $6.95, and on the shelf in stock!!! That was a shocker.

After the distributer cap fiasco at O'Rileys I never thought to check. Basically just did a search for willys oil filters, it said it'd fit DJ's and I fell for it. 18 bucks including shipping. Usually I likes to think I'm more careful than that. Oh well, live and learn.

Thanks Steve, maybe that tip'll make someone else keep from making the same mistake.


Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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Initial tests, with a 6v 40 amp (which is definitely not the proper power source for this application) battery charger.....indicate that my starter 'operation' has been successful. Of course this wasn't under load but it sounded good, no smoke or apparent overheating, and still wishful thinking in hoping that my budget refresh will hold up. Bushings, armature, brushes, and spring and gear were ok. Had to borrow a insulator off of Steve's old 12v starter and had to make one gasket, the round one at the end of the armature and between it and the cover plate. That one I cut out of a piece of old shoe leather. :)


Still gotta deal with the relay and bracket, and check into the condition and clean up and go through the generator. Hopefully 'it' won't have anything broke or ready to break inside like the starter did.

Ps I still haven't forgotten about that steering column shift mechanism that needs repair either.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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Starter almost installed :) heat in the shop even with a fan is almost unbearable. Think I must be getting older.

DJ3A coil

Discovered I've got a d-511 external resistor coil.

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Got excited when d5-11 came up as a mid 60's corvette coil (figured it 'd make my old dispatcher motor run like the wind B) .....

kidding .....

disturbed when it came up as 12 volt :( .....

then ok again when I think....

pretty sure.....

I discovered that sometimes in the 50's that's how they sometimes did 6 volts systems.

12v coil with external resistor = check the values with a meter on the coil and resistor to make sure they measure up = correct for a 6 volt system.

Again, that's what I Think is right.

It was working before so if it all checks out now I'll use what I have.

My DJ's resistor is mounted mid firewall in the exact same place I saw another OLD jeep of some kind up in Arkansas a while back.

Interesting read on the ignition system values here

http://mightymo.org/Proj_No_Spark.html
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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So not that it matters but i still had the slightest skepticism about the fasteners for the other bracket for my DJ's oil filter. I had previously determined there should be at one set of clip on fasteners and a strong possibility in my mind there should be two sets, not one set of clip on fasteners like these



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And then nuts and bolts in the other.


Going back and looking at the ohio dj motor bracket showed these markings clearly straight through layers and layers of paint .

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So now, not that I really did before, have no qualms about going ahead and installing them


whaaaahoopooo!!




Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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Between real work, extreme heat, and a semi pinched nerve in the ole back works stalled some but not completely stopped.



One starter has the band covering the brushes and appears to be off of a hurricane engine. That's the one that came on my DJ and has been reconditioned and installed.


Another starter is similar but different. No band around the brushes and a extra wide thick steel band permanently around the center part of the housing, this one works but needs bushing,brushes, and starter drive. Clean though and likely candidate for rebuild.

My original but unknown generator has a direct short in the armature making it toast. Brushes, bushings, and coils were in good shape. Coil packs have been re sprayed and completely re wrapped. Test good and good brushes. Has the snap on band. No tag. Brush holders attached to end cap .


Generator 2 internals and housing exactly the same. Coils good and much better armature test good. Again coils unwrapped, resprayed, and re wrapped. Will steal the better brushes from starter 1 when putting back together. Also has the snap on band.

Generator 3 Dj gen marked 12 v. Good coils and armature but broke wire between coils. Easy fix. Also could use new brushes . Will repair and restore. Also has aluminum end plates and the brush holders attract inside the housing instead of the end cap. That one came from Steve. Reinforced housing and no band. Also longer coils and starter armature plates and winding. Coils not re wrapped , they were in good shape with better wrapping. Smaller guage windings than the first two.



Generator 4 reminds me in external appearance of STARTER 2 but with same internals of generator 1 and 2. Wide permanent reinforcement band around the housing and no band. Coils and armature in good shape but broke wire between the coils. Coil wrapping in good shape as is armature and brushes. Wires seem similar to one and two but. 'Maybe a slightly smaller guage. 'Suspect' starter 2,and this gen the proper ones for a Dj since they came with the ohio motor but not sure at all....yet

Generator 5 appears to be a old ford generator. Smaller over-all and different end plate . Unknown voltage but had a rebuilt tag on it. Still taken apart to clean up and go through. Coils looked good enough I didn't remove, just cleaned up and set aside to put back together.

Hope soon to get these back together and run real test.

Once I get all info and tests together and more pictures will ask for help in identifying the unknowns and help determining a voltage regulator needed.

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Not shown is my distributer which has been taken out and laid aside. Looks like it's going to cleanup real nice.

Motor has been prelimarially primed with oil through thevside plugs.

Starter installed but may change out if deemed the other is more appropriate after refurbishing.

Purchased a new old battery but not exact replacement.

Old but never been filled with acid and at 61 bucks including shipping worth taking a chance on.

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Slightly to long to fit between the battery tray clips but for the money I'll make a false narrowed in bottom for it before fabricating the hold down bracket assembly so I don't have to bend down the clips on the battery tray and call it good for now. Certain things make me 'wonder' if this is a loooong ago reconditioned or rebuilt battery but no way for 'me' at this timr.


Bad as it sounds still on track . When I joined this site I predicted 2 years to complete . It's been about a year and acquiring suitable part without spending 20 grand has excited my expectations so my feelings aren't hurt at all.

Trying REAL HARD to learn and not make catastrophic mistakes at this point.

Plans have expanded to someday building an appropriate looking trailer, lightweight to pull behind this Dj. Thinking that would be a nice use for Steve's old tailgate and parts off my old bent front axle. Only thing is, that's going to put me looking for a 7thn original 4 hole wheel.


And a suitable better or better yet original carburetor. At the least ill do a good soak on this or and make sure the passages and jets are clear. Scares me though because of lack of proper knowledge and setting tools.


I also purchased nos red top carter small bowl gas filter to attach to the carburetor. 30.00 which was exactly 40 dollars cheaper than a member on ANOTHER forum asked for exact same filter. I'll have to say his 70 dollar price (much more than he had them priced for left me STUNED and at that point I just broke communications and looked elsewhere.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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SteveK
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PapaC, I don't know how you keep track of all your parts open at one time like that. I'd be lost and overwhelmed.

Speaking of pricing, I was on Ebay looking for chrome or stainless footman loops and saw some some asking up to $26-28 EACH...PLUS SHIPPING?????

I guess whatever the market will bear is the 'going rate'. To each his own. Each really has to 'shop' to get the right price for 'his/her circumstances'...and comfort zone Caveat emptor!
SteveK
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Seeing prices like that makes me wish I had the proper anodes and acids and salts to do copper,nickel chrome, brass and gold plating!

Considering you'd need highly dangerous stuff like maybe chromium, or arsenic, or cyanide or mercuy or whatever it's probably better that I any get my hands on such materials anyway !!!

Charles ;)
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC,Aug 20 2014
08:40 AM
Seeing prices like that makes me wish I had the proper anodes and acids and salts to do copper,nickel chrome, brass and gold plating!

Considering you'd need highly dangerous stuff like maybe chromium, or arsenic, or cyanide or mercuy or whatever it's probably better that I any get my hands on such materials anyway !!!

Charles ;)

Have you ever checked out Caswells? They have kits and supplies for all types of plating.

http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/index.html
Old retired fart living in Ione, WA. I have a 1964 CJ3B. Recently overhauled original motor, transmission and overdrive. 11" Bronco drum brakes on all 4. Needs a new coat of paint but that will have to wait till next summer, it's next summer and I'm working on that now :) UPS & FEDEX will continue to profit :)
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Have you ever checked out Caswells? They have kits and supplies for all types of plating.  http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/index.html


Luckily there's not a lot of chrome on these jeeps. I did manage to get my hands on some new real chrome headlight bezels awhile back so I've got that covered.

Things I'd still 'like' to have re chromed after restoration is a collection of Dj hubcaps including both the smaller W dog dish hubcaps and a full set (5) of the full size fancy hub caps. Those and my gear shift lever would fix me up real nice for when I get ready for them. Properly done the hubcaps would have to be dent free, soldered and smoothed, copper plated because the nickel plating wouldn't stick to solder....and as I understand it I'd need the nickel plating for the real chrome to stick too.



Enough kits from caswell , which I'm still not exactly sure is real old time plating would break my bank beyond repair .... Same as having it all done for real would.


Sooo, without dangerous and highly regulated chemicals that can't be bought in this country I see a future for myself of careful ding repair, polishing the best I can, and maybe a light clear coat (which will still change things to the wrong color), and hope for the best!!!


Update on the generator collection. I've definitely learned 2 are 6 volt and it will take assorted parts from each to build one good one . (Armature and the best coil sidings from one and sealed bearing etc and brushes from the other.

2 are 12v both of which I can probably make both work with little effort.

And one smaller unknown ford type generator which I now suspect because of the small guage windings may be a 12 v.

Almost got the 6 v for my Dj using best parts from the two back together and ready for full blown testing.

Did I mention a impact screwdriver is a MUST for working on old starters and generators!

Sanded clean where the coil plates join the housing

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Here's where you need the impact screwdriver, both to loosen and tighten the plates.

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Old tape removed, coils recoated and re-taped and finished off with lacquer. Wires re-insulated

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Armature cut down on a homemade jig and re grooved.

The last, badly done rebuild did leave me with a real nice sealed bearing, good felt washers, and a good bushing

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Tomorrow hope to get the end cap and brushes installed and pulley on and hooked to a battery to see if it will run and then to a belt and another motor and spin it and check for voltage.

If all goes well it'll then be ready to install.


















Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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More studying and even more confused and trying to understand a circuits and b circuits and bench testing and tore it back apart when I put it together and found continuity from both the armature and field leads and then went back to the net and finally figured out it's GOING to do that unless you raise up one of the brushes and THEN it's time to panic if you still do and I didn't so I put it back together AGAIN and then I realized one of the 12 v gens had the exact same looking armature but smaller and less windings in the coils and came up with the bright idea that with a bit of mixing and matching I could probably turn IT into 6 volt too and if so then my BEST bet would be run both of then up to O'Rileys and let THEM check them out on a MACHINE and IF they work let THEM put me on the right track as to what voltage regulator matches because right now I think I'd NEVER figure it out exactly and I've managed to figure out this is ALL OLDTIMES fault because he doesn't live next door cause I just betcha he could take a stance and cock one eye as I hollered at him over the fence and without missing a beat he'd tell me what to do and go on about his business thinking how peaceful it was when he DIDNT have me for a neighbor unless he didn't mind me coming over and wanting to help all the time so I could learn from the best ....but anyways.....slowly but surely I'll get there!!!

Not in the next few days though. A chunk of wind blew (peeled back) about 20 squares of flat roof right over Walls entrance. (Old walmart building) and until I get it fixed they 'think' they're in a state of emergency. Rain going straight through that old style tectum deck knocked out EVERY ceiling tile underneath it. Second time that's happened before. I'm BETTING them that 'I can put a roof over that entrance that'll stay there when it decides to come another little breeze and try to peel it back. Yep, I've got a PLAN for that old tectum (fibered concrete panels 2 feet wide, four feet long, and four inches thick).

It's gonna just THINK nothing wants to stick or fasten to it and stay there by the time I get through with it .

I invented me a plan!!! They liked it so much they approved the job instantly.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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Busy week. Worked all last weekend and tied up loose ends Monday . After that I traded a guy two days me working on his jeep for him three days helping me clean up and reorganize my shop top to bottom. Guarantee you we both came out on that deal.

I had said I wasn't gonna work on it but since he's riding my step daughter around in that death trap, well you know. Besides that I'd already had to rescue them twice after I said I WASNT GOING TOO ... well I decided a bit of extra welding and inspecting might be in order.

I've got to take some pictures. There's some pretty crazy straight up bubba work we've done to that thing in the last couple of days !!!

I did finally get a working generator that I'm satisfied with installed but it surely wasn't without its trials and errors.

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Armature out of a 12v, coils out of a 6 volt showing 3.6 ohms across each field single field coil snd both of them together. I had to drill out a end cap and install and install and then realm out a larger brass bushing because the 12 v armature end wasn't turned down as small as the 6 volt. The wires were the same guage.

The end caps weren't interchangeable because of brush location. However, somehow when I got through the button end off of the 12 v plugged the hole I had drilled just fine. Also new felts in the oil caps on each end.

In the end, ran a temporary a wire from the ground screw to field. Then I as a test ran a 6v neg lead to the field terminal and touched a 6v hot positive lead to the armature terminal for a second.

(This was after polarizing the generator with the body grounded and a single spark to the armature.

It test ran as a electric motor perfectly .

Then I rigged a electric motor and a belt and spun it up. It's kicking out a steady. 6.5 volts.

Hopefully good to go.





Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Was thinking this would look pretty decent on the back of my jeep one of these days.


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Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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Wow. The 4 hubcaps sold for 470.00 + shipping. Definitely going to shine mine up one of these days and put them on the market, I'll probably have to, if I can bear it, when I get closer to buying new tires.

Every time I go from the shop to the house I roll this around, with them rocks in it it's getting pretty shiny inside.


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Even though it started out crushed luckily the metal was solid, inside and out. Long ago someone had drilled a hole in the bottom of the tank to drain it and I imagine that had helped a lot.


Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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So with plenty still to do the tank is fine for now. Every time I go to the shop I make sure to kick it back and forth a bit.

Finally got tired of that oily rag in my distributer hole and decided to start to do something about it.


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The skinny spring laying on top in the next picture was loose when I got into it that deep. I'll have to figure out what's up with that.



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Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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