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| PapaC | Sep 19 2014, 08:13 PM Post #241 |
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Help.... I have already rebuilt the my master cylinder. My cap looks a little bit rough. Once (a few days ago) I checked for one on eBay. The thing sold for over forty bucks!!! I never even bid, decided to fix mine. What kind of cover is it supposed to have on it when repaired, I couldn't tell for sure from the pic on eBay. Was it a really thin round piece of metal A thin round piece of metal with a breather hole in it OR does it get a really fine mesh screen as part of the cover ?? ![]() And WHY is this cap different from the others you see charles |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Sep 19 2014, 11:24 PM Post #242 |
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And here I thought the distributer was going to be easy. Right up until I got to comparing notes and discovered some discrepancies. Two, as I'v learned IAY distributer's off of certified by serial numbers Dj3A engines. Oriented pretty much the same the one on the right is the one off of my 56. Mine (adjustment plate removed) has a 'O-RING. The other (maybe later model???) doesn't. ![]() Both distributer's stamped 'IAT' on the bottom of the casing...lots and lots and lots of white paint, almost maybe old latex? on the one on the right. ![]() IAY distributer caps fit both the same ![]() Here's where things get really different With the housings oriented the same, with the oil caps and the latches in the same.....notice the differences in the inside mounting plate. The points and condenser are on different sides on each one. The inside wiring connections, while accomplishing the SAME PURPOSE, are different. Assuming these orientations won't effect actual operation but the fact is there are differences in between the two. Also mine 'originally' had the tag riveted to it instead of fastened with a bolt but all that's left of the original tag is the ends where the rivets are. After reassembling I'll use the tag that Steve have me. As a recap. O-ring on ones shaft only Inside plate differences Location of points and condenser swapped Inside wire connection and wire exit screw different I have no way of knowing if the differences in these two distributer's can be explained better by earlier or later years.....or maybe by the change from 6V to 12V....(which shouldn't make any difference anyway depending on condenser used, right??)
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| SteveK | Sep 20 2014, 08:15 AM Post #243 |
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Charles, If I recall correctly, I saw on the 3B side a while back some discussion from Ken on the differences. Wouldn't the opposite side orientation change #1 location? |
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| SteveK | Sep 20 2014, 08:24 AM Post #244 |
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Charles, Earlier in this thread I see your 'Master Cylinder Cap' question. A while back I had pics of that included in my "remote fill discussion" posted by BA back then, but they are gone now. I'll try to find those again and send them to you via email. It shows the exploded view of mine. Maybe that will help. PS, I've seen new complete MC's on Ebay for $55. |
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| oldtime | Sep 21 2014, 03:38 PM Post #245 |
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Pay no attention to the "IAT" markings at the base. That's just a casting number. And does not reflect the model nor the part number. Both of those are obviosly Autolite distributors. You have two distinctly different distributor models. Neither of them are IAD type otherwise the IAY cap would not fit. Neither of them are IAT type otherwise they would have vacuum advance. These both are Autolite IAY types. The one with the insulated post for attaching the ignition wire is an IAY 4012 The one with the ignition wire exiting through the distributor housing via a rubber grommet is an IAY 4401. Some but not all of the parts between these two models are interchangeable. They are directly interchangable with complete CJ distributors of the same era. CJ-3B,5,6 Autolite IAD 4041 (WO # 906725) 1955-1958 6 volt DJ-3A,CJ-3B,5,6 Autolite IAY 4012 (WO # 909802) 1957-1959 6 and 12 volt DJ-3A,CJ-3B,5,6 Autolite IAY 4401 (WO # 923068) 1959-1965 6 and 12 volt |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| PapaC | Sep 21 2014, 09:47 PM Post #246 |
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For now I'm going through the IAY 4012 since it's the one that came off of the earlier 1956 Dj engine that is in my jeep. First I degreased everything, got any old paint off and then electrically (as seen waaaaay earlier on this thread on some HallLamp tail lights) removed all rust. Then I pretty much dusted most of it with some very thin 'Sherman Williams' spray paint. As I assembled I carefully removed the paint from any sliding parts, posts, and made sure these areas were polished and clean. I also used the tinniest amount of assembly lube on the posts. I did not remove the pin and the main shaft as there was no play or rust there and it turned extremely free. Test fitting the weights and springs ![]() Here it became clear how this spring fastened back and functioned. Also don't forget the thrush washer that goes on the shaft here first, and the tiny spring clip that goes in the top to hold in place. ![]() By now taken back apart and the excess paint removed, parts polished or lubed as mentioned earlier and slid this on. You can see where that odd spring catches against the post ![]() Next goes this plate. Both removing and reinstalling that long through bolt and it's insulators and parts is like putting together some kind of Chinese puzzle. There's only one combination that works!!!
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| PapaC | Sep 21 2014, 10:26 PM Post #247 |
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Confident that everything moves freely like it should it's time to install the points, condenser, spring latches and tag and oiler cap![]() EDIT!!! (Just noticed. The points and condenser are attached to the WRONG SIDE of that little insulator. Here it looks like that way would short out the whole system!!!) This IAY 4012 distributer 'should' have had a riveted on tag but we're not going to complain about that at all. I'm PROUDLY using the IAY distributer tag I got as a gift from Steve. I'll have to go back and check the numbers but the resistance checked good on the condenser and leaked down very slowly when testing so I reused. I also reused the old points as they too were like new. No o-ring 'yet' so for now this is jus a test fit back into the motor. ![]() Notice 6 o-clock orientation on the rotary cap. Wires to exit the left side, the oiler just above that. Enough space in the slot to adjust both ways. I 'believe' that to be correct.....IF.... And excuse the bad art work but That orientation can only be correct if the timing marks line up like this ![]() If the timing marks all line up like this on the front of the motor and IF the Number ONE piston is coming up on the compression stroke, 5 degrees before top dead center. Ps. Point gap set at .020. IF THIS IS WRONG NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR SOMEONE TO SAY SUMPTHING!!! Useless trivia. The first distributer I went kind of deep into was in 1975. Dropped a screw into it. The last distributer I went into was years ago and it was a 69 ford fairlane. Rusted springs and weights, worn parts, etc, caused me to trade for a new Mallory duel point distributer and hotter coil. My conclusions at the time became that it was way overkill and didn't need the extra points or coil for the amount of fire the motor NEEDED. Wound up trading that for a regular distributer in good shape and couldn't tell any difference in performance. I wound up driving that old car for YEARS, and years and years, first as a daily driver and towards the end as a emergency back up car. Never let me down and was still running when I sold it. |
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| PapaC | Sep 21 2014, 10:31 PM Post #248 |
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Thanks again Steve. I had already cleaned, honed and put a kit in mine. With the help of your pics a little bit of straightening on that cap, a new dust cover, and just a touch of JB weld and mines good as new!!! |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Sep 21 2014, 11:29 PM Post #249 |
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Meanwhile Back At The Ranch!!! I'm in the process of tying up a thousand and one loose ends on my motorized rolling chassis while waiting on my carburetor. I want to bring up another question about these dispatchers that I haven't seen discussed before and of course is bugging me unmercifully. FAN SHROUD???? Did DJ's not come with a fan shroud, if so I don't recall seeing any in pictures of DJ motors. If not then isn't this something that should be added to help keep the motor cool, especially on long trips??? If they did not come with a fan shroud was there a logical reason other than as a cost cutting measure??? What am I missing here??? |
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| PapaC | Sep 22 2014, 12:50 AM Post #250 |
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Somehow I missed this question. I'll check orientation when i pull the distributer to put a o-ring on it. I don't know but could imagine that it would not change #1 location if they were thinking ahead and adjusted the slot for the rotary cap to compensate when they swapped sides with the points and condenser. |
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| oldtime | Sep 22 2014, 09:57 AM Post #251 |
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Note how the rotor can only attach to the cam tower via 1 position only. Yet the cam tower may be attached to the flyweights via 2 possible positions. If the cam tower is incorrectly attached to the flyweights the rotor alighnment could be 180* out of position. Nice work Charles, yours looks good to go as is. |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| PapaC | Sep 26 2014, 07:05 PM Post #252 |
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Thanks Steve. She's a but sore today but feeling better. Got my feelings hurt and missed out on this. (Somebody had deeper pockets than I do ![]() At least now I know what a replacement oil wetted ac element for the small Dj air cleaners looks like and know if I so choose it can be easily duplicated. That's the same kind of mesh that's in a old tractor air filter. I would have thought it'd be a fiber type material. Of course if it 'was' duplicated a person would have to be REALLY careful none of it could get loose and get inside the engine. I'm thinking, just for drill, woven carefully and an extra screen on the inside. Anyway, just a thought. My core carb from the jeepster man came in yesterday and looked physically better than I expected. If I can find the right kit I'll tackle it myself one of these days. Here's preview pics of the one that Wally at TONKA JEEP spiffed up for me. Reported it had been test ran for 30 min and asked if the photos met my approval before shipping to me. As far as looks go, I'm thinking it looks pretty dang nice. Here's a few of the pics he sent me. ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh yeah, I got the gentleman back that outbid me on the filter. Earlier a original (not a reprint) 56 dispatcher owners manual popped up on eBay with a reasonable buy it now option and I snapped it up. Ah heck, he's probably already got a better one anyways!!! As far as the filters go, I'll just make me one that'll be just as good anyways.:) |
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| SteveK | Sep 27 2014, 08:01 AM Post #253 |
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Be careful of too much screening causing airflow restrictions either via too small holes or accumulated loose particles caught at screen. I had a problem once with an oiled foam filter with either too much or too thick of an oil that collected dust and clogged very quickly. Sometimes it doesn't take much to make a difference. |
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| PapaC | Sep 27 2014, 10:49 AM Post #254 |
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Point taken about the screening that can stop up. The foam that wraps around some lawn mower or four wheeler screens I despise. A ittle age on it and it starts disintegrating and can cause all kind of problems. I'v already got the front and back section of the screen I'll use and have discovered you can buy the stainless mesh for the guts in a roll so that'll be pretty easy when it's all said and done. I'll keep it cleaned and oiled with k&n oil filter oil when I manage to get my hands on some. |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Sep 28 2014, 02:48 PM Post #255 |
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Hey Steve, remember these and the earlier discussion about oil cleaner brackets and fasteners?![]() Remember my recent unanswered question about a fan shroud and why I haven't seen one on DJ engines? It is mentioned in the parts list after all you know. Borrowed this pic from BA's site, JEEPSURREYGALA ![]() Note I FINALLY now have confirmation of the brackets and screw bolts on the oil cleaner. Also confirmation I need to find myself a fan shroud to help keep the engine cool on my DJ. Waaa Hooo! I knew in my heart there was confirmation out there somewhere from a reliable source!!! |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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