Welcome to the CJ-3B Bulletin Board, the discussion forums section of the website CJ3B.info. Everyone is invited to view the postings here, but you must register as a member in order to post messages. The moderator reserves the right to remove items posted. Items may be archived in the Tech Tips section of the website. If you post a tech problem, please follow up by posting the solution when it is found, as it may be useful to other readers. For forums covering other Jeep models, see the bottom of this page.
Search for keywords or phrases anywhere in the CJ-3B Bulletin Board using Google. Enter key words here.
| You're currently viewing the forums as a guest. This means there are some features you can't use. If you register, you'll be able to post messages and use member-only features such as customizing your profile and sending personal messages. Registration is simple and free. Join the CJ-3B Bulletin Board! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| DJ3A Tail Light Pictures; ALA and HALLS 701 | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 17 2014, 10:19 PM (1,690 Views) | |
| PapaC | Mar 17 2014, 10:19 PM Post #1 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
My initial hopes here is to add my observations of the physical characteristics of both housings and lens that can be used along with other published material in answering questions and in identifying original and nos willys dj3a tail lights. I'll start with the ALA's that I have in my possession ALA tail lights would have been used only on the earliest years of the dj3a's before being replaced with the Halls. Just now I can't find reference to exactly when they changed over or what serial number was involved??? What I can say is that now I can confirm that early ALA tail lights did indeed have a glass instead of plastic (like the nos replacements) clear tag light lens. This was one of my questions was bugging me and also was very difficult to find the answer to.... ![]() I Observations The clear lens in the NOS housing is plastic The clear lens in the OLD ala housing on the right is GLASS Both SETS of housings are heavy cast material The studs have been unscrewed from the old set but the threads for them appear to be perfect Other REMARKABLE differences in the old and new are 1. The clear lens in the older set is attached to its brackets with Philips head screws and the nos housings use flat screws The biggest difference. ....the nos housings are stamped ALA on the outside ....in this example neither passenger or drivers side of the older set have that ALA stamp on the outside the part numbers stamped into both drivers side housings are the same there's different part numbers stamped into the two passengers side housings |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 17 2014, 10:55 PM Post #2 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
The older set (bought with a bunch of junk jeepster light housings for ahem ... $11.50 ) has Phillips head screws holding the license lens ![]() Inside Lettering: CB 17674.... (autolite symbol) (no outside stamping) ![]() Inside Lettering: CB 17674....6.....(autolite symbol)...ALA (two locations one inside one outside)
|
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 17 2014, 11:11 PM Post #3 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
![]() Inside Lettering: W....CB17674.....TEACO...ALA (once inside, once outside) (no autolite symbol )(TEACO is raised casting not stamped) ![]() This ones warped out of round. I expect it will be tricky to straighten but not impossible. Since it's cast zinc or 'pot metal'.....in my head I'm working on a unconventional method using a oven, a round clamp or two and maybe either a jig or filling with hot sand to help support it as it's being gently heated and nudged back into place. Inside Lettering: CB 18248 (no additional letters or stampings inside or out) (also additional nubs cast on the upper side and running about halfway up the boses that the lens screw holes are drilled into)
|
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 17 2014, 11:18 PM Post #4 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Both nos stamped ALA![]() No ALA stamp or casting anywhere on either one of the older set ![]() Note 1: Previous information I had read indicated some passenger side ALA's did not have the ALA stamp. This original housing confirms that the same can also be true for the drivers side. Note 2: I had also read that the replacement NOS ALA lights had a 'muddled plastic' center instead of being sharp and focused. I did not find this to be true with any of my red lens as the castings on all of these are very crisp, even though 'one ' of these NOS ones has the 'prestolite' lens as seen in the link below. Note 3: no marks inside either passenger side indicating where the cut out for a clear lens would be located Note 4: even though the clear glass and plastic lens are interchangeable between the two housings the inside brackets that hold them are different....AND the positions of the holes that are drilled to hold these two styles of brackets are in slightly different locations to accommodate these brackets http://cj3b.info/Dating/Taillights.html |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 18 2014, 10:47 PM Post #5 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Ok, I still don't know exactly which year they changed to the Hall's on our DJ's? These are very original and are off of Steve's 1962 DJ3A Dispatcher At the time this photo was taken the one on the right has had the rust electrically removed. ![]() I know that these are now being reproduced but I'm pretty sure the repops do not have the REAL GLASS inserts like these. ![]() Those inserts are a thing of beauty!! |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 18 2014, 11:13 PM Post #6 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
The lens for these lights 'should' be marked stimsonite 701. Those I have been unable to obtain however I did manage to get my hands on some stimsonite 150A that fit perfectly. ................................................................................. Original stamps (I forgot to high lite the 150A on this one (under primer) ![]() It looks to me like 701 HALLLAMP (hall lamp) 150A ![]() duh....., I just realized that 150A is probably why the 150A Stimsonite lens fit so well!! ) :rolleyes: These lights appear to have a more modern connector than the 'twist in' tail light connectors like on the ALA's. (not shown) ![]() |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 19 2014, 02:24 AM Post #7 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Ps. I mentioned I had obtained the older set of ALA housings in with a box of old jeepster tailights . What immediately drew my eye to them, even though there was no info identifying them as a ALA was that they were CAST and the cast bosses for the lens screws was unmistakable. It was my belief that these HAD to be the hard to find ALA's. I actually bought them for research......and .otherwise I was afraid they would eventually wind up in someone's TRASH somewhere. Both sides were missing red lens and bezels No tail light wires One is warped The missing parts are hard to find and fairy expensive unless you are very persistent, very patient, and a little bit lucky.......and don't hesitate when you find them. Also cheaper to buy a bright shiny brand spanking new replacement tail lights from one of the vendors. Tomorrow I'll try to post some non-dj3a tail lights or housings that I have for comparison. |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Mar 31 2014, 11:39 PM Post #8 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Haven't dug out the other lights and lens yet but there's something that had been bugging me. It was this emblem that says HALLLAMP ![]() Previous to that I had heard the name 'hall lights' and I had heard of 'CM Hall' but I couldn't remember ever hearing the name HALLLAMP And had been keeping my eye out for some kind of verification ever since. I finally found a matching symbol on what is advertised as a Ford running or backup light that is for sale on ebay ![]() I know this isn't a dj thing but it's the only other light I'v ever noticed that had this symbol on it.
|
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| 56dj | May 14 2014, 10:03 PM Post #9 |
|
Member
![]() ![]()
|
Original tail lights from my 56 DJ. Have taken them apart and partially restored. Did not check any info as to numbers and such. Restoration is on hold at the moment.
|
![]() |
|
| PapaC | May 15 2014, 02:48 AM Post #10 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
AWSOME. Thanks for postng !! To me especially interesting are the elbow shaped pieces of rubber on the back that the wires go through. I haven't seen that before. I do have a question that has been troubling me for quite some time. Was there a extra spacer on yours between the light and the tub on the drivers side? I know that some models of willy's had them so that they would stick out a little bit more so as to better illuminate the tag but I'm not so sure that DJ's did and I don't want to buy one if it's not needed. iF they did I haven't been able to verify from looking at pictures. |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| 56dj | May 15 2014, 05:54 AM Post #11 |
|
Member
![]() ![]()
|
No spacer. The license plate holder mounts between the light and body, license plate up, at least on mine. I have the convertible model, no top or seats yet. The rubber boots on the tail lights are from the original wiring. |
![]() |
|
| SteveK | May 15 2014, 07:52 AM Post #12 |
|
Member
![]() ![]()
|
Interesting. Is it possible that the two ALA passenger lights with different numbers are actually for different voltage bulbs, or with/wo turnsignals of different bulbs? Did you check the slots and pin locations to be the same? Also, is it possible that the change from ALA to Hall was when they changed to 12V? Added note: Even tho it is not 'restoration correct', the Hall lamp with the spring-wire lens holder I had, I found a plastic 4" 'Peters lens' at Northern Hydraulics to fit perfectly, if a replacement is needed in a hurry. PapaC should have it if more detail is needed. |
|
SteveK 62 Dispatcher South Florida | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | May 16 2014, 12:12 AM Post #13 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Thanks for verifying DJ's did not use the spacer on the ala's and that the ala's had a elbow shaped rubber boot. I suspect I can take some EPDM black rubber caulking and figure out a way to replicate. Used for EPDM rubber roofs so it's pretty durable.
My OLD original but not sure to what year or what jeep and the boxed 'replacement' ALA's accept the same bulbs with the dual element and the same plugs on the back even though there are some differences in some of the stampings. Suspect you're right on the 6 to 12 volt change and the ALA to Hall housing but am unable to verify at this time. Perhaps Collin might know?? ALA's will accept either a 6 or 12 volt bulb. Both have dual contacts and double pins 180 degrees straight across from each other on the same plain. Outside appearance is identical on both bulbs other than the numbers and the filaments inside. 6 volt number or type is 1158 12 volt number or type is 1176 As stated both fit the same socket and 'probably' both available in LED if you're into that sort of thing. I 'believe' the HALLLAMP fixtures use the more common bulb with the dual contacts and the offset pins. I'd have to dig them out to check for sure. Also several vendors have their versions of duplication for the halls but I don't believe they will have the correct '701,HALLLAMP,150A' stamping on them. If so they don't show it on the pictures on their websites. I'v only ever seen one set of nos hall's with the correct markings on ebay. Those 'were' equipped with 701 stimsonite embossed lens and as I remember the selling price was PRICEY. Suspect but don't know that the 701 lens are glass instead of plastic??? Stimsonite 150A which ARE 'plastic' lens do pop up from time to time as the were also used in some other types of housings. Haven't seen any nos ones though pop up ever in either the 701 or the 150A. It seems the plastic 150A 's are easily scratched so if you didnt require 'restoration correct' the peterson's Steve mentioned would be a easily obtained replacement. |
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| SteveK | May 16 2014, 07:53 AM Post #14 |
|
Member
![]() ![]()
|
You might be able to use 90 degree spark plug wire boots. |
|
SteveK 62 Dispatcher South Florida | |
![]() |
|
| PapaC | Aug 22 2014, 07:58 PM Post #15 |
|
Papac
![]() ![]()
|
Quite by accident I managed to get my hands on some of these. New ALA's don't come with them and they're often messed up or missing. NOS with Bakelite body, brass springs, contacts, and screws, and heavy chrome screw on back cover that the wires go through. Amazing quality. ![]() ![]()
|
|
Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
![]() |
|
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · DJ-3A Dispatcher Posts · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2



![]](http://z4.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)




) has Phillips head screws holding the license lens 


















3:53 AM Jul 11