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| Willys Dispatcher Prototype; Concept Models Based on the DJ3A | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 28 2014, 10:30 PM (879 Views) | |
| PapaC | Apr 28 2014, 10:30 PM Post #1 |
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Back when we were doing research on the DJ3A Convertible as seen on this forum there was some mention of the DJ100 concept models. Here's some pictures which is what that we had to go by at the time. ![]() ![]() Both then and now I considered these to be very unique and interesting vehicles even though as stated they were limited to the design studio. Now thanks to information that SteveK has forwarded me we can maybe learn just a little bit more about these jeeps. More Pictures ![]() ![]() Take special notice that in the last few images the artists renderings are becoming more life like. |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Apr 28 2014, 10:39 PM Post #2 |
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As Steve pointed out if this is just a factory drawing then WHY would the artist have depicted snow, trees, and power poles???![]() ![]() Dr.Q ????? Could this be a real jeep instead of just a drawing??? If so then what about the other versions of the DJ100??? Could any of them actually exist too!!??? |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Apr 28 2014, 10:51 PM Post #3 |
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Hmmmm... Maybe this could have something to do with our mysterious Dr. Q. ![]() If so, then it ain't FAIR that he's got TWO of the concept DJ100 prototypes and Heck, I'll just say it.... I'm JEALOUS!!!! Lookey here ![]() |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Apr 28 2014, 11:08 PM Post #4 |
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willysargentina.com.ar:8090/viewtopic.php?t=5638 I can't read the language but I get the impression these were designed by Clifford Brooks Stevens (1911-1995) diseņador industrial norteamericano es designado como uno de los pilares del diseņo industrial por el New York Times. As seen here he definately (among other things) spent some time working with kaiser motors. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Stevens Here's a link to an Argentina jeep forum, non of which I can understand either. willysargentina.com.ar:8090/index.php Wish I could understand it all. If those DJ100 prototypes are still setting in Argentina then who knows WHAT else might be there too!!! |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Apr 28 2014, 11:18 PM Post #5 |
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I also think this is important enough to add. Observations made by Steve during our email correspondance.
Definitely cool Steve and thanks for the link and for the very observant observations!! |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| SteveK | Apr 29 2014, 08:41 AM Post #6 |
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Nice story lines Charles, You have the knack. I searched "willysargentina.com" and found some interesting pictures and other sites to peruse later. Besides some of the 'eyecandy' around Willys, quite a variety of history pics and current ones including some nice 3b's and extended wheelbase models too. One thing that really caught my attention...Guess where Roy Roger's 'Nellybelle' ended up in Feb 2008 after the sale of the 'Roy Rogers Museum' in the USA? Yep, Argentina. Seems they are really interested in our Willys, and that's because they have history with them too. Check out the "Willys DO Brazil" link (in English) and see some interesting facts about Keiser/Willys 1955 adventure into manufacturing in Brazil, that inspired a large plant in Argentina, and some interesting models built there...I'm gonna re-visit that site again tonight when I have more time and the internet is faster. Some cool stuff out there for Willys enthusiasts and historians. Enjoy! |
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| F Bill | May 6 2014, 09:44 AM Post #7 |
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Neat stuff Charles and Steve.. It does add to my theory that my own DJ with doors is a one off owner built and not a factory prototype as some have suggested... Wish I had more time to discuss but am in the middle of a major job here in NY.( Anyone want a Cub cadet or a pair of CS Cj2A jeeps see my posts in the CJ2A page..) |
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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain 60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD 60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it. 60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille 56 tub, from 11826 And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left. All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my DJ with doors.. | |
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| Bill Norris | May 6 2014, 12:39 PM Post #8 |
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Charles, Brooks Stevens work with Jeep goes back to about 1946 that I know of. He designed the wagon, pickup and Jeepster. He also did the FC line. I know he did a bunch of work for Willys Argentina too. I have seen those photos before and I believe that are actual Jeeps and not drawings. Bill |
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| glennstin | May 26 2014, 08:11 AM Post #9 |
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Love this new information. Thanks for adding to our DJ3A Research. Now, about that Nellybelle statement above. Nellybelle was sold to a NJ horse lady. She and her collector buddy showed Nellybelle at the Hershey AACA meet as well at The Great Willys Picnic at my invitation. I'll have to check my dates but I think 2011. We had a great day right by my booth with all attendees getting pictures and special hats. I have not heard from Nellybelle just lately, but I do know she was for sale. Maybe that's where the Argentina connection comes in. I'll have to check on that. Let's make plans to be in Kempton, (Allentown) PA on June 8, 2014. The GREAT WILLYS PICNIC is a one day free for all to get your Willys Fix like no other. Bob W and Seth go all out to find sponsors and entertain us Wilys Nuts for 6-7 hours. Seth even has a night before event by invitation only. See you there!! Glenn |
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| colin | Jun 6 2014, 03:08 PM Post #10 |
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I realize I am a bit late on responding to these photos of the DJ100 series of prototypes and I had seen these photos before, and sure wish they had gone into production. when you look at the man in the photos at the Chalet Hotel, I blew them up as best as I could and I think the man in the photos is none other than Delmar Barney Roos, the chief engineer at Willys since the late 30s until just before he passed in 1960. Bill Norris, you or Kevin might be able to better blow these up for detail and maybe even a possible ID to see if that is Barney Roos. As Bill mentioned, as well as Glenn, Brooks Stevens worked for Willys on a contract basis(hired by Barney Roos) for many years and was responsible for the design of the Willys station wagon, pickup trucks and Jeepsters, then later the FC trucks and into the 1960s with the Wagoneer and the 4WD Jeepster. Willys did not have their own body stamping facility until late 1949 and as a result after WWII, were unable to stamp out anything, except flat panels, that had rounded corners or fenders. If you look closely at the station wagons, you can see the body panels look flat from the side, but are compound in nature, curving front to rear and bottom to top. The stamped reliefs in the body panels give strength to what would be a panel that would vibrate otherwise. Stevens added the "woodie" paint scheme as an inexpensive way to get a richer look of the still wood bodied wagons from other manuyfacturers. Even the early CJ2 and 3A Jeep body tubs were done by ACM in Indiana. Brooks Stevens, through his connections with a couple of appliance manufacturers, contracted with them to stamp out body parts for the station wagons, panels and pickup trucks and the early Jeepsters. These companies were only able to do limited degrees of curvature, hence not a lot of curves in any of the post war Willys vehicles other than roof panels, cowl panels, and rear cab panels. After Kaiser bought Willys and moved all passenger car manufacturing to Brazil, Stevens continued designing updated versions of the Station Wagon, pickup truck and even a prototype Jeepster. The Willys Aero was built in Brazil under Willys license and Stevens did updated body designs for that car as well up until about 1970 when Ford bought out the Kaiser interest. |
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| PapaC | Jun 23 2014, 11:28 PM Post #11 |
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I've been meaning to get back to this thread for a while now. It kinda seems like no prototype thread would be complete without these early surrey prototype pictures that Collin had previously forwarded to me when we were talking about seats of all things. Anyway, here they are, now in their rightful place on this forum. ![]() ![]() ![]() This one I've nicknamed the PADDY WAGON SPECIAL!!! I can't help it. From the black and white photo it just looks to me like there ought to be a policeman driving it....some wire mesh or bars to separate the front from the back....and then maybe be ready to pick up some rowdy drunks on a wild Saturday night and transfer them to the pokey for an overnight stay while they sobered up!!!:) ![]() Anyway. back to the real world. Collin reported that these were probably early 1958 or 1959 surrey prototypes. Also one of these days I'm going to dig deeper and see if that really is ( I know I'd like to know) Delmar Barney Roos in the previous prototype photos. |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| PapaC | Jul 27 2014, 10:08 PM Post #12 |
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OTHER WILLYS PROTOTYPES Recently Steve, who's building his own modern version of a Willys Dj prototype, sent me this email of some other prototypes that actually are still here in the states. He even pointed out that one of them even has an all Aluminum body!!!
![]() ![]() Yep. Here I am getting jealous again!! Here's the CJ 4 prototype ![]() To borrow from another of Steve's quotes.
I agree Steve, 100 percent!! |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| Bill Norris | Jul 28 2014, 07:23 AM Post #13 |
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FWIW- that aluminum 'Jeepster' (I don't think that was intended to be a Jeepster) was mentioned in 1947 in some internal documents. Willys worked with ALCOA aluminum to build those cars. There are also other Surrey prototype pictures out there that I have seen. Unfortunately, I do not own them! Going from memory, there was a Deluxe and Standard version. I'll have to see if I can find my notes on them. Bill |
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| colin | Aug 11 2014, 02:31 PM Post #14 |
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The factory photos from May, 1950 the car is listed as Willys Coupe Project 6100. There were two built, one on a Jeepster chassis with the large X frame cross member and the other had the station wagon chassis minus the large X member. As I recall from what Miguel told me, one had a six cylinder engine and the other was a four. The photos shown here were taken several years ago according to Miguel. The rear seats face each other like some of the early Japanese extended cab pickups, but it doesn't look like there was any real leg room for anyone but little kids. |
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