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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 1 2014, 10:57 PM (834 Views) | |
| PapaC | Dec 1 2014, 10:57 PM Post #1 |
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My particular DJ shares the same style windshield as the CJ3B's and even though it's a convertible I want to put dual wipers on it. If my information is correct I think the CJ3B part numbers are Vacuum wipers Stationary W/S W/O # 671921 Motor (left side) 'edit' SF 616 'curved inlet' ('PURCHASED, PICS FURTHER DOWN') W/O # 672778 (EDITED) Motor (right side) (optional) (EDIT) short straight inlet ('STILL LOOKING) At this point anything from NOS to worn out and needs refinishing and rebuilding would gladly be considered. Also wanted to buy or get information on where to come up with correct wiper arms. (EDIT: PURCHASED, pics farther down this thread) AND wiper blades for the whole outfit (looking) thanks Charles |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| Rus Curtis | Dec 2 2014, 01:22 AM Post #2 |
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Charles, This topic has popped up before-in various forms. I do see the same part number for the drivers side motor. However, I see #672778 for the passenger motor. Could you have a typo? I also see that motor having a 120* arc. I'm betting the drivers' motor is the same. I would prefer if someone else that had access to dual vacuum motors to chime in on how to identify motors you'd see to ensure the proper vacuum tube orientation. I can offer my .02 cents worth on the arms. This had been one of the most frustrating aspects of part searching. So far, all the vendors I've checked have the wrong wiper arm. They think for some reason, that one type fits all is okay in this instance. For my early 3B, I had the wrong straight arm that fit over the knurled nut fastened to the shaft. I didn't have anything to show vendors what I was looking for. Lawrence Wade's jeep was not only the early type but it was original and has been in his family when bought new. When you study the images of his jeep, you'll see what those parts are supposed to look like. I'd also managed to take some images of other jeeps at the reunions to have a consensus and larger collection of correct parts. There is a left and right arm since it appears the motors park the blades to the center of the windshield so the bend in the arms will be in opposite direction. The arms should fit over the shaft and then be secured with an "acorn" nut. I have seen these arms offered for other vehicles in the '47-'54 year group so I know they are available. I'd initially suggest contacting a used parts vendor, like Harry Sheets, to see if you can locate original parts. http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...?showtopic=4746 http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...?showtopic=3633 http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...?showtopic=3756 |
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| PapaC | Dec 2 2014, 03:58 AM Post #3 |
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Whew, thanks Russ I corrected the numbers. And of course, why wouldn't the right stuff be hard to find. Heck, I'v almost gotten used to it by now!!!Thanks to your links sometimes tomorrow I'll try to attach the proper SF numbers and study more about what I actually need including the crooked wiper arms. |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| oldtime | Dec 2 2014, 11:05 AM Post #4 |
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Take a look at eBay # 281516693725 It is a Trico SF 616 Note that it has a chrome pull knob to switch it on. Unlike the CJ-5 wiper motors it has a chrome manual swing handle. Also note that it has a "U" shaped inlet tube for attaching the vacuum supply hose. That motor is the correct wiper motor for the LH side only. The RH motor is identicle excepting the shape of the inlet tube. The RH motor has a short straight inlet tube. The wiper arms are designed for either RH or LH applications. In theory a LH could simply be re-bent to become a RH and vice versa. I saw some NOS wiper arms here: eBay # 301222459459 eBay # 171557084981 Wiper arm nuts here: eBay # 181128410107 |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| PapaC | Dec 2 2014, 01:26 PM Post #5 |
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WOW, and I do mean WOW. Here's some pictures perhaps for future reference. ![]() ![]() ![]() (The next is not the pair I bought but has a slightly different description perhaps in what to look for) ![]() Still keeping a eye out for one more motor (plenty of time but when one appears somewhere I'll be ready) Under the impression that the same motor could be used for the other side by altering the inlet??? And also need some wiper blades if somebody 'hint, hint' wants to point me in the right direction.
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| oldtime | Dec 2 2014, 07:16 PM Post #6 |
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I highly suggest you should use original Trico 5 ply blades. Original length is 9" but I highly recommend the 10" length. I did not see any during a previous quick search but.... You might check with eBays "bluemoonscooter" The RH and LH motors are identicle excepting the base (inlet valving) of the units. I believe the same motors are used for all CJ-3A, DJ-3A and CJ-3B's. I'll move this post to the main forum so it does not get auto-deleted. |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| PapaC | Dec 3 2014, 12:38 AM Post #7 |
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About every trip we go on it rains. Whether it's supposed to or not. For a few years there every time we went to AR my wife and I joked farmers should pay us to drive by their fields when they were dry. Once we were between Marked Tree and Jonesboro it came over the radio that if you were between mile marker ??? and ??? take shelter immediately. Saw we were just hitting the first mile marker and then we hit a wall of water. I saw a overpass, drove off the road, and up a bank in the truck trying get as close as possible to hug underneath that bridge. The truck was shaking by the time we got stopped and before I had a chance to get really scared it was gone. Rain and all we flew down the road in case it came back. Within three miles we once again hit blue sky's and sunshine mixed with the clouds. I like to drive slow and look at the countryside. No matter where, the interstates unless you're in some mountains somewhere things all look the same. Building the old DJ to drive in style somewhere. I'll be on the off roads taking my time. I know this and might be the old man you wish would get out of your way but 'hopefully' you will also be admiring my jeep too. Two wheel drive with an added overdrive oughta suit my needs better than I could ever dreamed of. I can deal with drum brakes and other annoying things because I learned to drive in such. I still remember a car with power brakes about throwing me into the windshield. Figured out quick don't mash power brakes hard, just kinda touch them a mite until you get used to it. Dual wipers attached to a vacuum motor that can pull them to me only make sense for my wants. When I do find some 10" I'll come back here to check to make sure they're right. AND I'm going to see if I maybe once got lucky. A long long time ago I bought a wiper motor at kind of random before I even knew you oughta check part numbers. Still haven't removed the paint, can't read the numbers, but just now I dug it out and compared it to the pictures of the correct one I just bought. It looked real close so I scraped off some paint and found chrome levers. If so I promise you my life never 'started out' that lucky. I'll update that theory when the other one comes in soooo, keeping fingers crossed!!! And I'll come back here to get yall to help me make sure I'm buying the right 10" wiper blades when I find them. PS I had to grit my teeth not to buy something from bluemoonscooters store. I did add him to my favorite lists. NICE TIP |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| SteveK | Dec 3 2014, 08:26 AM Post #8 |
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FYI...MacsAutoParts.com ph#800-777-0948 (Antique Ford stuff) is where I got my 10" blades, and they have an assortment of 10" arms to see too that 'look' the same to me, but I'm not looking for 'official parts'. Paid #3.45 each for the blades, a 10" hook type with stainless backbone. |
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| PapaC | Dec 7 2014, 09:15 PM Post #9 |
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Ok, here's a update![]() ![]() Top right is the one I just bought after researching and with help from up-top on the 3b section. The white one I just picked out of the crowd over a year ago. I'd even forgotten I had the nut and wiper arm for it. Shiny chrome and good metal underneath that paint. Except for one of them needing a straight hose connector looks like a match made in heaven to me. My nos arms and nuts haven't arrived yet but they're on their way. ___________________ Now look here. This ones on eBay now. Advertised as a 616. ![]() ![]() Having a pair except for modifying one tube and not that it makes a difference the chrome button is shaped is shaped different and I have no clue why that big nuts on that shaft except suspecting something's up there beyond my comprehension. Still looking for Trico 5 ply 10 inch blades. Plenty of Trico 'rainbow' blades out there but for now I'll be stubborned and keep looking in hopes of getting lucky. |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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| F Bill | Dec 8 2014, 09:03 AM Post #10 |
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The '43 date means it should have been on a WWII jeep. I believe there are differences between WWII our jeeps in wiper motors but exactly what I can't tell you without research. It might be worth a peek at the G 503 threads about wiper motors. One thing I noticed right off is there is a steel bracket across the windshield side of the motor that's shaped differently at its ends. There are also a lot of M151 and M series later motors out there, in NOS condition that still pop up fairly often. While they are similar again there are differences. That large nut looks out of place. Could be a hardware store nut someone put on there. The fresh black paint is a bit scary ....I'd like to see it before the painting. |
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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain 60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD 60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it. 60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille 56 tub, from 11826 And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left. All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my DJ with doors.. | |
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| PapaC | Dec 15 2014, 07:35 PM Post #11 |
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Comparing Old And NOS WIPER ARMS![]() The paint is covering some of the rivets but all are identical. Of course to use one will need to be bent in the opposite direction ![]() Note the difference in the curve that puts pressure on the wiper against the windshield. Being unfamiliar with these I can assume the old one has either been straightened or has naturally lost some of its spring action??? Further wondering if it might have been straightened so it would move easier and if the vacuum motor was beginning to get weak??? All conjecture on my part but in any event noted. And expecting that the older one could be easily recurved inward if necessary to wipe properly. despite the optical illusions the lengths are the exact same Charles |
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi 1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts. 1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only) | |
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