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DJ-3A "Fence Rider"
Topic Started: Feb 23 2015, 11:21 AM (2,061 Views)
Joe Friday
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Has anyone heard of a DJ-3A "Fence Rider" edition?
I ran across some references to it and am trying to decide if it's worth researching.
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Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Joe Friday
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If that message was meant for me I didn't get it...
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I'll try again
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Joe Friday
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Got your PM's.

If it's not a well known model amongst DJ enthusiasts then I'll did a little deeper.
The reference was on an engineering parts list for a special back panel.
I 'think' I'm going to find it was a Border Patrol DJ.

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PapaC
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Wow, and very interesting!!! Thanks Joe I'm sure we'll all be all ears and VERY interested in anything you can find.

Charles

Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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This Fence Rider discussion is very interesting. I had never heard of it before. It appears there were several modifications made to the DJ3A in order to meet this order. One thing in particular is located down on the parts list (# 699298), "Vehicle Marking Sketch--Door US Navy." This is directly under the wording for the DJ3A Fence Rider and uses ditto marks to indicate this was for the Fence Rider.

Anybody out there who was in the US Navy Shore Patrol in the early 1960s who might have been familiar with one of these? My guess would be they used the Dispatcher with hardtop to patrol the security fence or restricted flight lines around naval installations. Since they were also modifying them with heaters and defrosters, they probably were going to a colder climate. They were also using right hand windshield wipers, most DJ3As including Surreys had a manually operated right side wiper. The transmission cover is interesting, as DJ3As could have been equipped with either a floor shift or column shift and those covers were basically interchangeable. They also reworked the dash panel and floor boards. This is almost indicative of these models being right hand drive and possibly with automatic transmissions? Any ideas here?? I am just looking at what I see in the parts listing.

I don't think the Border Patrol would have used a two wheel drive DJ3A for fence patrol. In the late 50s and 60s, I grew up on the southern Arizona Border with Mexico and was quite familiar with the USBP Parkway Conversions and their CJ5s equipped with half cabs and power lifted brooms for patrolling and sweeping the dirt area adjacent to the not so secure 5 strand barbed wire border fence. In many places, 4WD and often low range would have been necessary to access the fenceline.
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Joe Friday
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I suspect you are correct in your interpretation. I'm thinking as I dig deeper I may find that I have factory photos of one of these.
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Not a factory photo but for reference sake only an example of a right hand drive DJ with auto transmission.

http://www.ewillys.com/2013/06/19/1964-dj-...-ebay/#comments

Reportedly according to the sellers description originally sold as a 'public works' vehicle??


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(03/26/2010) “As mentioned above this DJ3A comes in very rare automatic transmission variation, 4×2 WD, with right hand drive which was a special order of Public Works Departments through out the country, this vehicles were also used by delivery agencies and post offices. When I got this Willys I was skeptical about if auto tranny is original or not but later in my research I came across official Willys document called Consolidated Specifications for Commercial Vehicles and it clearly stated that in fact auto transmission was an option for DJ3A line of vehicles (I can email this document to any interested party). Also I found pictures of very same Jeeps with canvas half tops, right hand drive and auto tranny at the Los Angeles Department of Public Works web sight on the page related to the history of the department (it’s a low resolution pictures but I attached them to this listing) . . . Much more history on eBay”



Sadly the ebay listing has expired.


And here's a PARK PATROL DJ3A, or maybe better said??? a DJ used for park patrol??? Seems not to meet some of the criteria. It does however have a solid back panel .


http://www.ewillys.com/2012/08/15/look-park-polices-dj-3a/

Lastly here was a DJ3A NAVY? as advertised on EWIllYS


http://www.ewillys.com/2010/03/19/1963-dj-...asant-il-12000/

Note. ALL links from EWILLYS site and for research purposes only. In no way implying that these meet the criteria as mentioned on this thread for a FENCE RIDER edition. Just wanting to add food for though from some rather unusual DJ's or DJ descriptions.

charles
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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colin
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The public works vehicle referenced by Papac is a 1964 model, right hand drive with half cab, 4 cylinder engine and a Borg Warner automatic transmission. It was used by Passiac, NJ for spraying mosquitos. It sold to a guy in New York, who kept it for about a year then put it up for sale again and it now resides in the Los Angeles area, owned by Dean LaChasse. I have had several conversations with Dean, pleading with him to leave it as a right hand drive, but he is converting it to left hand drive, but keeping it 2WD. Glenn and I followed this Jeep for 2-3 years, in fact the NY owner was here on the forum several times about 4 years ago or so.

There are dash modifications made at the factory for the steering column and the mount for the automatic transmission lever, also dash mounted, like the USPS DJ5s. The transmission tunnel is totally different from the standard DJ3..

I have photos of it, but don't know how to put them up here on the forum. Maybe I can send them to Papac and he can post them if there is interest.
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colin
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Back in 2010, Bruce made some observations about this Jeep, the oil bath air cleaner was not correct, however, it looks just like the one on my 1960 Surrey, and due to the nature of what Passaic was using the Jeep for, an oil bath air cleaner made more sense than that small dry filter the 64s came with. The automatic transmission is definitely a Borg Warner, so I guess by special order you could get that transmission behind the L-134 engine in 1964. The serial number is 8204 23905, engine # 3J175663, built in January, 1964. It has the small 13 inch wheels.
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