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| hagar | Jul 27 2015, 04:42 PM Post #1 |
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Hello fellow members. Going to be dragging this Surrey out of garage and get her running. It's not been driven since 2003; we acquired it in 1994. Needs a coil, coil wire and 6v battery and it should be running. Serial number is: 56337-19045. It had been previously restored by prior owner; it's an older restoration. Pictures to follow. |
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| hagar | Jul 27 2015, 04:55 PM Post #2 |
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| hagar | Jul 27 2015, 04:59 PM Post #3 |
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![]() I'll get more photos once I can get it out of the garage. |
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| ba25 | Jul 27 2015, 09:54 PM Post #4 |
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Hagar Nice Surrey! Looks really solid. has it always been a Calif jeep? are you in the riverside area? You have come to the right place to show off your jeep. There are several DJ owners on site that will really appreciate your jeep. We are always glad to uncover another DJ. Being a 61 are you quite sure it takes 6V? 6V was available, its just from the size of battery cables I would have guessed it was 12V. also on your vent in window if you gently pull the U shaped bracket down to a vertical position you would be able to operate the windshield vent. Right now it doesnt look like it will even open, as bracket is positioned. Interested in the position of key sw and what appears to the cig lighter socket. Is that what it is? sorta below the brake handle? Is there a top or other pieces for us to see? front straps? Thanks so much for the pics, we really like seeing them. Looking forward to seeing and learning more about your DJ welcome aboard Bruce Agan |
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| SteveK | Jul 28 2015, 06:20 AM Post #5 |
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Hagar, Welcome. WOW! How in the world did you resist driving that beauty all that time? I too was thinking it should be a 12V system in 1961. My Dj Dispatcher is shortly after your serial number and is 12V. Also, be careful trying to straighten downward that vent bracket. I'm guessing that is why mine was broken off when I got it. Looks like someone slammed the vent closed from the outside while handle was in the 'open' position. Looking forward to seeing more pics and hearing that you are enjoying it on the road. I'm on the other coast in South Florida. |
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| oldtime | Jul 28 2015, 09:12 AM Post #6 |
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The Willys Motors Service Standards indicate that 6 volt remained as an option during the early 1960's. |
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . Rock Crawler using factory parts from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) http://s4.zetaboards.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/topic/30228766/1/#new | |
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| hagar | Jul 28 2015, 01:38 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks guys. I'm going to check the generator tag for 6v or 12v to confirm the voltage. I'm going off my dad and his memory (82 years young). 12 v makes more sense since he recalls robbing the coil and battery for his other Jeep/Scout vehicles. So, we'll start there. I'll check the w/s vent handle and bracket; thanks for the heads up on that. I'll look at the dash a little closer; I don't recall a lighter in the dash. I have actually driven the Jeep; but it's going take some work to get it out of the garage and get it going. Any guesses as to that air cleaner that's on it? Doesn't seem original to the Jeep. I have a DJ/Surrey parts manual around here somewhere. |
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| ba25 | Jul 28 2015, 02:29 PM Post #8 |
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The air filter is an original DJ dry type filter, it a rare bird so hang on to it. The inner filter is made up of brillo type steel mesh. it becomes brittle and falls apart. you can either replace it with brillo type steel mesh or find a newer air filter that will fit inside housing. Lots of the newer filters are to tall but iif you take your measurements of the housing you can find one that will work, someone had mentioned there is a K&N filter that will fit under lid. If you make it too tall it will hit against the hood. I couldnt find the K&N flter so I found a lawn & garden tractor filter (I think it was) cut it in half and was able to get it to fit perfectly inside the two metal rings that you will find on inside and outside the mesh middle. these might help when you check your gen/starter and what else your DJ should have 1962 parts lists http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=1682 1961 service standards http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=465 surrey peculiar parts list (courtesy Glenn Bryon) http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=211 as Steve mentioned that U shape bracket on vent might break when pushed down and if it does you can have it tacked back in place. Your crankcase ventilation tubes under manifold, we would like to see pics of the hoses and where the run. there should be a tube that runs from manifold to valve cover on side of eng. . this setup was covered under service bulletin #508 dated feb 1961 http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=745 Bruce |
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| hagar | Jul 28 2015, 02:50 PM Post #9 |
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Just got back from a quick run to look under the hood.... Thanks for info on the air filter. Looks steel mesh to me...The very top rubs on the underside of the hood, according to the mark left there. Maybe taller motor mounts were installed during the rebuild? The bellows thingy is actually a breather vent. The breather hose comes off the fitting on the valve side cover, then tees into a tee with a vacuum hose coming from under the carburetor; this hose terminates into the bellows breather. Both hoses can be seen in the engine photo. The generator is marked 12v, so that answers that question. There is a female cigar lighter receptacle installed in the dash, as noted by another member. The engine block serial number is: 3J16848 I found a letter from Jim Marski from 2000 in the file discussing the possibility of the Surrey and where it may have come. Of course, the file from the previous owners has no paper trail or provenance for that so we will squash that possibility and not mention that again. Marski may have seen the Surrey as he was on the West Coast at the time; I met him and sold him some Jeep parts. |
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| ba25 | Jul 28 2015, 03:10 PM Post #10 |
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Motor mounts are probably correct, the filter just fits under hood. It probably is just wearing the paint off underside of hood but causing little to no damage. The tight fit makes it hard to find the right sized filter when changing it to a modern type air filter that fits inside the housing. If you take a look at the service bulletin link I sent you and scroll down, you will see the correct setup for the cc ventilation system. Before the change in sb508 was offered for the dj, it had downdraft tube 1" or so in diameter that fitted to opening in valve cover and hung straight down 12" or so. Maybe oltime can offer advice on the way your cc ventilation is setup. Engine is correct for the dj Bruce |
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| hagar | Jul 28 2015, 04:02 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks Bruce for the help and information. |
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| SteveK | Jul 28 2015, 04:36 PM Post #12 |
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Hey Hagar, Good communications. I was just wondering how the strict California emissions laws apply to classics? That may explain the adaptation effort with the bellow on the crankcase ventilation system. I would think the original style proper PCV system (not the drip tube) installed correctly should be legal. Just a thought. |
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| hagar | Jul 28 2015, 05:18 PM Post #13 |
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74 and prior exempt from any emissions or even inspection. Although I once did get an emissions notice on my 47 2A... A phone call to DMV took care of that. Thanks for the help. |
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| colin | Jul 28 2015, 09:39 PM Post #14 |
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Hi Hagar- Haven't been here for a couple of weeks so I am playing catch up on the discussions involving your really nice Surrey. I keep a database on DJ3As with input from nearly all the guys who have responded to your info and photos. If you could send me your information, I will log it into the database and any photos that you can send me by email. My email address is: colins60vette@cox.net I am in Phoenix. I have two Surreys in my database that are on either side of yours, 56337 19043, a pink Surrey built in 1960 titled as a 1961, was for sale in Florida two years ago, but the owners decided to keep it and it is under restoration now as far as I know. 56337 19049 is a Cerulean Blue and Glacier White Surrey that was for sale out of Carthage MO, in 2013 and I don't have a track on where it is now. I have several more 1960 built Surreys with serial numbers both before and after the two I mentioned. Yours is a late year 1960 build (beginning number for DJ3A in 1960, 56337 16643, ending number was 19367 for a total of 2925 DJ3As built. This was the highest number of DJ3As built in the 10 years of production. It was also the year the Surreys were introduced, so that may be the reason for the large number of DJs that year. Unfortunately, Kaiser didn't keep records on how many of the various models of DJ3As including Surreys they built, but we think the number is around 1100 or so. My personal 1960 Surrey is 56337 19170, built after yours. Mine originally came out of Hollywood where it was owned by American International Pictures until 1980, then sold to a Jeep dealer in Peabody, MA, who restored it and kept it in his showroom until just before I bought it in December 2009. If you can come up with any history of yours prior to your family getting it, that would be great. Yours was probably not sold until 1961 and then titled as a 1961 even though it was built in 1960. That happens a lot with Willys vehicles, and is not uncommon. You are now linked in with a bunch of true DJ3A and DJ3A Surrey fan-a-tics. BA25 is one of the most knowledgeable guys in the country about DJ3As and anything he tells you, you can take it to the bank. If Jim Marski came by and looked at the Surrey that would be great, any paperwork that you have from him is a good deal. Your Surrey should be 12 volts , which I believe you found on the generator. An additonal serial number, 19046, should be stamped on the top of the right frame horn, just in front of the body mount and just behind the rear brace for the battery box. It may be dirty, but you can gently clean it to get it to show up. The numbers were stamped individually and are not in a perfect line in most cases. Mine weren't. We can certainly help you with technical questions between the group of us here. You have already gotten good tips from everyone. The emissions tube with bellows is different. MY Surrey has the "road draft tube", which is simply a tube about 1 inch in diameter that drops straight down from the front part of the valve cover. Most have that. My buddy has a 61 DJ3A and it has the same setup. Maybe yours was added on later?? The air filter you have is very rare, so done discard it. Welcome to the group, hope to hear from you later... Colin |
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| colin | Jul 28 2015, 09:42 PM Post #15 |
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The additional number on the frame should be 19045, not 19046. Fat fingers, slow brain! Sorry! |
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