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Exact year by serial number
Topic Started: Feb 21 2016, 12:58 PM (531 Views)
Tronicsmasta
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I have mixed results on the year.
The original plate says 63.
But from my research the serial number puts it earlier...

Any ideas?:blink:
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PapaC
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Not sure I'm reading the numbers correctly so I'll try to say this right.

The frame serial numbers should match the data tag serial number on the firewall.

The firewall data tags are sometimes missing (mine was) but my frame number told me my DJ3A was a 1956. My frame serial number is 11125.

Here's the chart with the production number and years

http://www.jeepsurreygala.com/?page_id=5068

While it is possible to confirm a engine is a real DJ engine from its number, that number never matches the serial number nor do I personally know how to actually date a DJ3A engine from its number. What I do know is a real DJ engine number will always start with the prefix of '3J' just as yours does.


Only the serial number itself will be on the frame......but both model number '56337 and serial number will be on the data plate.


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Colin:  THE DISPATCHERS USED MODEL NUMBER 56337, WHICH TRANSLATED MEANS  “56”= DJ SERIES; “3”=DJ3A CJ3B BODY; “3”= 4 CYLINDER 134 L-HEAD ENGINE; “7”= 4X2 (4 WHEELS, 2 WHEEL DRIVE).  IN LATE 1963 FOR THE 1964 MODEL YEAR, DJ3As GOT NEW MODEL DESIGNATORS, 8202-8205 DEPENDING ON BODY STYLE.
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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PapaC
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PS. A belayed welcome and thanks for posting here on this board. Can you tell us a little bit about your DJ, serial number, body style, heck, anything you want to say, but I'd sure like to know more about it before curiosity kills me stone cold dead!!!
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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Tronicsmasta
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After some additional research my serial number is one of the following...

56337 23577
Or
8203 23577 (Hardtop DJ3A)

If anyone can tell me definitively if it's 56337 or 8203... I can't find a clear document that states the exact cross over. The body serial number makes this a 1963 Jeep Dispatcher DJ3A made in December 1963. The engine was made October 1963.

I acquired this jeep from a neighbor down the street that was moving and could not take the jeep with him. He gave it to me as a gift with the intentions of giving me the remaining parts after the move... yea
.. that didn't happen... :-/

It had 3 flat tires, missing everything from the dash but the steering wheel, shifter, hand brake rod, and a sad excuse for a wire harness. I have the brake and clutch pedal but no linkages etc...

I started with draining the oil and cleaning the oil pan. Replaced the oil and filter. I also remounted the starter to see if the motor would even turn. I had to order and figure out what someone else did wrong when they attempted to wire up the ignition components... that took a while and a lot of reading... the had the condenser out of the distributor, ground strap not attached on the engine, and a few other annoying things. Either way I got it to fire for a few seconds to see its possible for it to run after I replaced plugs, wires, coil, points, condenser, and ignition key.

Next step was to rebuild the carb. I rebuilt it last year using a kit but this carb was loaded with rust, debris, and corrosion. It took several days to clean. I rebuilt it wrong :-) haha nor knowing of all the secrets the YF carb has. After the long winter, I decided to try a new kit and rebuild again.. I cleaned it up more using the lovely cleaner "Lemishine machine cleaner" ! I did something right because it worked.

Next I unmounted the transmission, cleaned, painted it, and replaced the oil. Removed the u joints and drive shaft. Removed the rear axel, cleaned, painted, and new oil.

After a carb rebuild, I order much needed and missing oil lines, fittings, belt, and coolant hoses. After some tlc... a few beers... it came to life!!!!

That's where I am now except I determined most of the engine gaskets are leaking so I have to rebuild the engine. Sometime late this week or next week I'll pull the engine.

That's where I am!!

You guys have been super helpful and thank you all for your time!

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PapaC
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Additional information from the previous quote which was from COLIN.


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COLIN:  LATE 1963 FOR THE 1964 MODEL YEAR, DJ3As GOT NEW MODEL DESIGNATORS, 8202-8205 DEPENDING ON BODY STYLE"


Colin, Glen, Bruce, etc keeps a record of known DJ's serial numbers and they know more about them than I do so I'm calling this thread to their attention.

I like the way you rescued it and I'm glad to see your bringing it back to life so keep us updated. Whatever your missing we can try to help you with one way or another.



Charles
Charles Tate....North Mississippi

1956 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible
Doing ground up nuts and bolt restoration by almost entirely reconditioning original used or a few NOS DJ3A parts.

1962 WILLYS DJ3A Convertible. (For research and parts only)
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According to my S/N List 23577 was built in Oct. 1963, where the first S/N was 23538 and the last Oct. '63 was 23667 for a total 129 units. This would have the new Kaiser nomenclature prefix of 8202 8203 8204 or 8205 depending on body style. On our DJ3A Production / Survivor List we have one listed example built 10 units before this one, 8202-23567 in Oct. '63, then your S/N 23577 was built 10 units later and the 39th unit built that month. Without the data plate on the firewall, we need details about your body style to tell you the exact prefix. This unit was likely titled as a 1964 but some state rules differed. At least as far as we know now, your original S/N was 8202, 3, 4, 5, and the frame number 23577 after that. From what we have learned so far the last S/N with the 56337 prefix was 56337 23537 built Sept. 1963. Please let us know more details and get pix for us to compare. Get that engine number in also. I have engine # 3J175212 recorded as original engine in 8202-23625 built just 48 units after yours and an early 1964 Owners Manual from 8203-23867 with engine # 3J175519. Isn't this FUN!!
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Tronicsmasta,Feb 23 2016
10:19 AM


That's where I am now except I determined most of the engine gaskets are leaking so I have to rebuild the engine. Sometime late this week or next week I'll pull the engine.

That's where I am!!

You guys have been super helpful and thank you all for your time!

Gaskets leaking is cured by replacing seals and gaskets. Whether you want to rebuild should take into mind compression readings, oil pressure, power when using, and if it smokes after running for a while or not. (Some smoke upon startup is normal in my opinion, especially after sitting for a long time.) A gasket and seal job should be a lot les expensive than a full rebuild.

Welcome to the whacky and wonderful world of DJ's!
59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
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60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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colin
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Time for me to weigh in here as well. I'm like Glenn, leaning toward your Jeep having an 8202 or 8203 depending on the body style. We have one 8203 designated with a hardtop that has a single window in one rear panel of the hardtop. We have other hardtop models listed with the 8202 model number, which was for open body DJ3As. I think whoever was stamping out the serial number plates that day or week would put either number on the plate depending on how he felt or if his coffee was wearing off or it was close to quitting time on a Friday. No rhyme or reason to some of the things we find with Willys/Kaiser vehicles.

If your hardtop has windows in the rear side panels, I would go with an 8203 model. The lack of documented information you may have leaves us hanging here. The first 8202 number we have listed is 23677 and yours is 100 units ahead of that. Yours is the 39th DJ3A built in October, 1963. Engine numbers did not correspond with the Jeep serial number and sometimes were off several thousand from where you would think they should be. The only explanation is that the L-134 engine was used for an assortment of industrial uses like welders, generators, pumps, replacement engines and the only resemblance to the DJ3A is the 3 stamped in front of the Jxxxxx. Engines could be pulled off the line and the first numeral signified what application they went to. DJ3As were 3J.

More later!
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Tronicsmasta
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Wow! You guys are freaking awesome! And I'm so glad I saved him also! Btw.. I named him Alex! Just pulled the engine and tranny today. I'll post those pics soon.

We unfortunately i do not have the doors, windshield, or side panels.. just the hard top... is there anything that would stick out other than the windows?

This does have a cabin heater... lol

I'll post any pictures that might help.. just need to know what items would differentiate between the 2 prefixs..my gut says 8203...

It does have a tailgate.. idk if thay helps
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