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Body Bolts and Paint Questions; A couple simple questions
Topic Started: Sep 10 2017, 09:16 PM (271 Views)
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A few basic questions.

1) in mounting bolts, what is the "step bolts"?
2) all brackets, etc other than footman loops should be body color, correct? While not making a perfect by any means restoration, trying to understand as new. Examples are windshield pivots, tailgate pivots, etc. footman loops and associated hardware should be black from my reading.
3) assuming these brackets should be body color, do most paint them and their hardware seperately, then assemble, or assemble and paint all at once?
4) similarly, bolts, nuts, etc on firewall and body mounts, paint or no paint?

As im getting closer to body work, trying to get my head around it all. I plan to leave the as original body imperfections like spot welds, etc as the bodies were originally made to what I'd consider 'tractor standards' at the time.

As always, thanks!!!!

Scott
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Rus Curtis
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Scott,
The first time I saw "Step Bolt" in print I had no idea what it was. Google is your friend. Derek added a lot of info here on the 3B Page. Get a beverage and start clicking through all the pictures. You'll find answers to almost everything.
(Hint: Parts Manual!)
http://cj3b.info/Tech/Fasteners.html

Step bolts resemble carriage bolts but the head has a larger diameter
http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_B...?showtopic=2814

While this next link provides info on paint schemes, I've seen too many images where hardware was not painted (could that be driven by a specific year or users adding paint, i.e. military?).
http://cj3b.info/Paint.html

That leads me to believe that some were painted and some were not. I'd like to add I think the footman loops on the w/s and radiator guard are body color but there may be examples that prove me wrong. I've seen other footman loops that were either plated or painted.
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Thanks Rus. My searches for step bolts had me congused with between carriage bolts, plow bolts, and timber bolts, my head was spinning. The link cleared it up.

Sequencing question for those who have painted - for example the tailgat hinge brackets that appear to be body color - do most paint body and brackets and bolts seperate, then assemble (and touch up fastners if needed) or assemble then shoot paint on the entire assembly?
Scott Dinkel

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Just my own way of doing it but I prefer to paint "all" parts including nuts bolts washers etc. prior to assembly.

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On stuff like the tailgate hinges I rattle can primed and painted the area and the backside of the bracket to fight rust, then bolted them on and painted the whole thing. That way that fasteners got painted and wouldn't be scratched during assembly. It's going to get scuffed the moment you open the tailgate anyways :P

From what I could tell they were put on the body and then painted at the factory. Seemed to be a pretty clear unpainted outline underneath. Whether that was just rust or not over the years I guess I can't say.

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Jesse from MN,Sep 12 2017
08:28 AM
From what I could tell they were put on the body and then painted at the factory. Seemed to be a pretty clear unpainted outline underneath. Whether that was just rust or not over the years I guess I can't say.


My conclusion also. After removing them, I saw the same.
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Thanks, you guys. It's an important little detail to discuss.

One note about Google searches (which you can do right from the CJ3B.info home page if you like.) The images on CJ3B.info are not indexed by Google, so an "Images" search will not help you find correct details as shown on CJ3B.info. You need to look at the web pages returned in an "All" search, to find the page with the photo and corresponding information.

This is because I found that many people were searching for images, then just looking through the pictures, or even grabbing and reposting them elsewhere, without even glancing at the accompanying text. CJ3B.info has been designed from its beginnings 21 years ago, to have text and photos work together, clarifying each other. Looking at a photo alone may prove very misleading.

Likewise, an image search done from the Google home page, will show you only photos posted on other websites, which may also often be misleading, even if they were originally grabbed from CJ3B.info.

I realize that not being able to search the photos on CJ3B.info can be inconvenient, but on balance I think that anyone who wants to make sure they are getting correct information, will want to read about the photos they are finding.

Feedback on this is welcome.

Derek

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