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Games and Stuff; Gaming talk, and so forth...
Topic Started: Oct 18 2004, 05:49 AM (230,201 Views)
Juron Pilo
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Because you obviously hate gameplay :P.

Do you hate puzzle games and strategy games too? I thought so.

I kid.
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...Kirby got nerfed, because he was one of the more broken characters in the original SSB. Pretty simple logic. Along with Ness and Falcon.

edit: Baroned.

...though, I actually am not a big fan of fighters, but I lurv smash.
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Juron Pilo,Sep 5 2006
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Because you obviously hate gameplay :P.

Do you hate puzzle games and strategy games too?


He really does.
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It more has to do with the fact I loathe people with the very core of my being, and fighting games are generally supposed to be played multiplayer.
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Juron Pilo
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*grumbles*
And Fox, who was allready on the verge of top tier anyways, ended up BETTER THAN EVER. Is there any wonder how imbalanced SSBM ended up though?

Anyways some odd facts I've pointed out before:
Samus's bombs don't make her hop like she used to, meaning that bomb dumping mind games and recovery were shot.

Ness became a completely new character. He's much easier to learn now, but I understand ultimately his comboing ability was nerfed.

Link trades his smash and much of his boomerang ability for a recovery>.<

Mario: eh, I don't think Mario changed too much, but I don't play him much.

Luigi: Luigi diverged from Mario alot. Definately profited.

Pikachu: Pretty much the same, thunder changed, although I'd be hard pressed to say if its better or worse.

Jigglypuff: Same

C. Falcon: Wall jumping. That is all.
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Eh... I still kick ass with Kirby.

And Gannondorf.

...I wonder if I'm the only person who's reasonably good with G-dorf...
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Cyrus,Sep 5 2006
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...Kirby got nerfed, because he was one of the more broken characters in the original SSB. Pretty simple logic. Along with Ness and Falcon.

edit: Baroned.

...though, I actually am not a big fan of fighters, but I lurv smash.

C. Falcon got nerfed somehow? Explain.
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In the first game, I got beaten by my friend alot even though I used Kerby's cheapness. Also my friend is pretty dang good with Gandorf in Melee.
When I'm bored, I like to wander around and cast X-Zone on random things.

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Juron Pilo
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Kirby's good at pretty much any gaming level. He's not a cure for poor abilities though. But... yeah.
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I used Kerby and beat anything but my friend.

And my friend owns all in Melee despite not playing for long periods of time.
When I'm bored, I like to wander around and cast X-Zone on random things.

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Juron Pilo
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I'm confused about how Falcon got nerfed. Maybe it was something miniscule that I didn't notice because I don't play him regularly, but the only real difference I can see just looking at his character is that his up b gets a little more range, which is hardly nerfage...
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(Q)_< I think the foward range of his up b got severly messed up. I dont think his falcon punch has quite the amount of zing it used to, but I havent played both in forever so meh
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Perhaps it's just that I got so used to the SSB Falcon, who played a little more fluidly, while the SSBM Falcon is more... "jerky", I s'pose. Plus, the only effective Falcon strategy in SSBM is to jump-knee people repeatedly.
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(Q)_< I did pretty good with down stomp and back punch
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Juron Pilo
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so pretty much just slight modifications to his b moves?
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(Q)_< Well I remember looking at a video of him doing up b in the original and he grabed the guy from a quite a distance, now its like they need to be practically touching
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Observations from comparison:
In SSB, he can do his up b straight up if he's doing it from a standing start.
In SSB, the load on falcon's punch is low enough that you can get it off from a backwards jump and complete it mid air. You can't even do that from a double jump in melee unless your rediculously high up(you MIGHT MAYBE do it from the top ledge on Hyrule Temple into the large pit in the middleX.x).
Your statements about the damage are probably correct as well.
...X.x

Ok, file him under "drastically gimped".

edit: Falcon Kick just feels... DIFFERENT. I can't explain it any other way. The load feels a little longer, but the move travels further. I don't think I like it.
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(Q)_< I think all his moves got less of a smack factor
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They feel slower to start, a lot like how you were mentioning the falcon kick. But again, that may just have been me.
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(Q)_< How exactly was Kirby cheap again?
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