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Games and Stuff; Gaming talk, and so forth...
Topic Started: Oct 18 2004, 05:49 AM (230,197 Views)
Drekal
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Ya know, way back when I occasionally played RTS games, that is kinda how I played. Defense first, then everything else.
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(Q)_< Ok...I just relized the human projectiles move WAY TOO DAM SLOW! A guy litterally side stepped a launcher shot from only a few feet away when the thing was already. And Im getting very pissed at these insta-gib lightning bolts.....so come on someone come and say its still perfectly balanced
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Don't worry, if the Bison ever take over the midlands Godzilla will take care of them. Just like he did with Bambi.
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Rayman Raving Rabbids on the DS is, supposedly, gonna be a 3D platformer.

I hope, I hope, I hope.
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Using block properly is the best human strategy. Get good enough at it, and a Savage should be capiable of taking on 3 horde units at the same time in CQC.
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Forever Zero,Sep 8 2006
08:57 AM
No, Vort is right. The term Turtling is an RTS strategy term where you build up your main base defenses to unspeakable preportions, and then slowly advance in every technology and unit advancement (Relying on your superior base defense instead of a large army to hold the enemy off), until you have maxed out every research and unit, and THEN you build a massive army of Endgame units to trash the enemy. It's a valid strategy that, while flawed, I tend to stand by (It works better in some games then others). There is no such thing as Extreme or Non-Extreme Turtling, the entire strategy is summed up with the one word.

EDIT: The thing is, Savage is a lot more about the FPS side then the RTS side. The new guns and gadgets can really help out, but if they're good enough FPS players, they don't need a lot of technology to kick ass. Also, you can't prefectly direct units: If you tap a character and tell them to go one way and they go the other, you can't stop them. Thus, you need to use a lot of non-standard strategies to win a game of Savage, and Turtling isn't the one that works the best. Redrock Resource points run out of resources very, very fast, and if you don't expand you'll run out in very short order. Since the PCs generally like to spread out and start looking for a baddie to kill, expanding is a natural extension of that that is both effective and necessary. Sure, drop a few towers down at each point, but unless there is a critical chokepoint you can exploit, don't bother over-defending any one location since they tend to be disposable. Generally I see 1-2 towers used to good effect, and in the endgame 3-4 towers defending a Sub-Lair is adaquate. It's mostly a way to slow down the enemy, since there are ways to trick the Towers and attack without retaliation, and only a PC can root out those attackers.

In order for such a strategy to truely work, you'd need a mine from which to can obtain unlimited resources. Thus for such a strategy to work, you really need to attack SOMETIMES. To show another example, consider fighting games. You can block, dodge, and guard block to your hearts content, but sooner or later, if nothing else, you will be taken out by tick damage, or be grabbed, and lose. Yet we still use the term turtling. You don't need to wait for the end game, you just have to wait for a convenient opening(see the Wikipedia definition, however crummy I honestly think it is). Theres

You know what? I understand that offense and offense-based characters/units are inherently superior to defensive ones unless compensation is provided(and these days it usually isn't, you have work work hard to find games with any true balance). The human tech tree is designed to be played much more defensively, however much that puts them at a disadvantage from the hoardeX.x.

Note: The blocking mechanism is a good compensation, if it works well enough(no time to play test it or anything).

edit: heh Mecha
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MechaV,Sep 8 2006
03:43 PM
Rayman Raving Rabbids on the DS is, supposedly, gonna be a 3D platformer.

I hope, I hope, I hope.

(X)_x ARG! Need to get that one too...
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Sephiroth went down like a Thai hooker.

Yeesh.
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(Q)_< Still havent killed him in KH2....I really should start on my form leveling spree again...GAH! Good night!
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Don't worry, if the Bison ever take over the midlands Godzilla will take care of them. Just like he did with Bambi.
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MFD,Sep 8 2006
09:26 PM
Sephiroth went down like a Thai hooker.

Yeesh.

Wearing a miniskirt, high heels and pretending to be female?
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Ten gil, sucky sucky!
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Belle, that's a damn funny mental image...
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Carmichael Micaalus,Sep 9 2006
01:07 AM
Ten gil, sucky sucky!

that was an interesting mental image

"how much for big sword?"

"40 gil but you have to douche first"

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I'm not sure how many of you are actually familira with the Valis series. Personally, back in the day when I was a strick Nintendo guy I considered it one of those favoirte games that I've never actually played, kinda thing. It looked really neat and had an intresting story and all, I just never had a system to play it on.

Anyway, what I'm brining up here is what's became of the series. it's no doubt that the big appeal has always been the fanservice, but it's been taken to a new level.

Valis is probably the only series that has ever been OFFICIALLY turned into porn. Just google "Valis X" and see what you find. The company that made the original games has turned it into a full blown hentai game.
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WHAT?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY VALIS!!!!!!!!!!!
*CRIES* *bawls her eyes out*

Wah!!! My poor innocent maiden of dream world who was the perfect virtous warrior, what have they done to you?!

OK IT'S OFFICIAL. JAPAN OFFICIALLY RUINS EVERYTHING IT MAKES.
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Peter : Sounds like my weekend.
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"Eat if you're hungry...punch if you're mad...and then... when you're wearing glasses, PRETEND TO BE INTELLIGENT!!" -- Masaru Hananakajima

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Alan Bates
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Well, it's pretty darn obvious what they did to her. And they do it quite often from what I can tell.
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*bawling*noooo....

why did they have to turn Valis into la blue girl (this is just a guess, but a reasonable one I suppose) BASTARDS!

I WILL HUNT THEM DOWN AND KILL THEM IN THIER SLEEP. I BET THEY'RE SLEEPING LIKE BABIES TOO. FUCKERS!!!
Mrs. Limburger : Crashing, and banging, all kinds of weird noises. Howling, moaning, frightful grunting, things falling out of closets, all over the place!

Peter : Sounds like my weekend.
-- The Real Ghostbusters, "The Hole in the Wall Gang"

"Eat if you're hungry...punch if you're mad...and then... when you're wearing glasses, PRETEND TO BE INTELLIGENT!!" -- Masaru Hananakajima

"Never has suicide been more appealing, until I realized how appealing murder would be." -- RTM
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(X)_x KWEH HE HEEEEEEE! I lied, I didnt go to bed, I played Savage until 3 in the morning, AND WE SLAUGHTERED THOSE DAMMED WALKING CARPETS!



And Im sure the actual people who made the first ones didnt want it to turn into...an interactive porn slide show
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Don't worry, if the Bison ever take over the midlands Godzilla will take care of them. Just like he did with Bambi.
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OH GOD, FSB'S AVATAR ISN'T FEMALE!

Yes, I was unaware. An editorial I found on Valis X has a link to an editorial about Castlevania... umm... doujins. And... yeah.
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Rack up another Victory for Belle. Yeah, initially I didn't realise it was male. Until I realised it was supposed to be a Belmont...
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I'd figured it was a Belmont, but I thought it was one of those pictures with a male character being turned female. Moon-something I think it's called.
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"... SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH. Squeak squeak. You take too fucking long to shower. Anyway, that's what my shower head would say... don't interrupt me."
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