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| ryu planeswalker | Nov 29 2006, 05:07 AM Post #26821 |
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ehh I wasn't really refering to TP specifically, I ment in an overall sense. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 05:15 AM Post #26822 |
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Actually, the evil wizard being Vaati makes alot of sense there because he's not a Ganon controlled monster. It also explains the "evil wizards" form as a shadow of the prince in the instruction manual artwork. Theres still the problem of discovering Princess Zelda "for the first time" Hrm. Need to look up the original Zelda II instruction manual because thats been another biggie. It could be a simple matter of poor communication. Princess Zelda DOES have a unique look in that game. Maybe they meant "like this" or "since he returned" or something. Possibly I need the Japanese version. edit: AHH they have the event before minish cap. Meaning it IS Vaati. AHAH! edit: I GET IT! I TOTALLY GET IT! Every single other Zelda besides the one in Zelda II is NOT the original Princess Zelda. That means that IS the first time he's seen the ORIGINAL Princess Zelda. Not the one he met before in his previous adventures!!! Which is why we have the minish cap first with Vaati, before everything else! YES!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally did it. Ok. Challenge my version(basically theirs, but with where they originally had lttp, and firm locations for ages and seasons). edit2: oh and minish cap moves... somewhere in the vaati saga part of the timeline obviously. Probably last. edit3: This edit is in previous post. I'm lazy and gotta go. edit4: added in princess, hope that helps. |
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| MikePB | Nov 29 2006, 06:06 AM Post #26823 |
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I... see your words, but they make no sense to me... Though, in all honesty, I'm not THAT well versed in Zelda lore, I just like the games... a lot. One thing I'm looking forward to with the Wii is being able to play the Zelda's I haven't yet. |
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| Blackdeathdraco | Nov 29 2006, 06:09 AM Post #26824 |
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It... actually makes a lot of sense to me JP, seems to map out most of the Zelda timeline. Now whats the view for OoT to other Zelda games? |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 06:14 AM Post #26825 |
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http://www.gametrailers.com/search.php?s=z...str_type=movies read part 6, then move LttP to end of timeline B for reasons I've stated, then move four swords somewhere in the Vaati timeline around minish cap(including the legend in Zelda II, Minish Cap, and Four Swords/Adventure which I'm putting there now)... edit: OH MY GOD not only does this explain the naming problem but it also explains THE FUCKING MAPS! I just said similiar things were happening in each timeline right? Well the names of the lands are extremely similiar in each timeline, what about the MAPS? According to my theory as I have it, the original Zelda should corrispond map wise with Ocarina. Check. Hyrule town is now a graveyard. Theres a forest in a similiar spot, and the water runs to the south. But. BUT! The map of LttP and Zelda 2 shouldn't! Woohoo! Lemme write out the timeline I made then: Zelda 2 legend thing Minish Cap Four Swords Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask Twilight Princess Link's Awakening* Wind Waker The Legend of Zelda LttP Adventures of Link Oracle Seasons Oracle Ages * I'm considering putting this after Ages since it doesn't strictly need to be here, and we get the nice raft dealy. In FACT if you play both games the castle you leave the raft from is in AGES! HOLY CRAP I *AM* RIGHT! Update! Zelda 2 legend thing Minish Cap Four Swords Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask Twilight Princess Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Adventures of Link LttP Oracle Ages Oracle Seasons Link's Awakening I think I have a VERY complete timeline here. It ALL works and has a formal place. Wewt! Further, there are officially only 3 Links, 2 of them only in the B timeline. There are officially 2 Zeldas. Apparently one timeline we learn about the other Zelda, but in the other that information is lost(in one we have a flood and in the other we have people merely evacuating). Further, the lack of the original Link means that other Links have to be found to take his place. In the official timeline there is one Link and in both timelines there are multiple Zeldas because they were all named after the original redhead. Ganon is always Ganon, there is one and only one Ganon. It also explains the names "Legend of Zelda" "Adventures of Link" and "Link to the Past". Further, this timeline has no geographical errors, or problems with the master sword as it sleeps forever in the A timeline. WAIT Ganondorf He doesn't exist in timeline A... BUT GANON DOES! ....GANONDORF WAS DEFEATED AT THE END OF OCARINA NOT GANON! I think that merely possesing the triforce of power might cause one to go evil and possibly turn into Ganon the monster. Ganon is essentially an entity of the triforce of power. That explains Ganon's existance in Adventures of Link, and why golden arrows and the master sword were not needed. Instead he uses the silver arrows and the white sword. Hang on though, we have the silver arrows as well in LttP. Its possible this is another result of the flood. He DOES still have the sword. That does work, to an extent. |
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| Blackdeathdraco | Nov 29 2006, 06:37 AM Post #26826 |
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It does make quite alot of sense in that retrospect, at least for me. I still prefer that it wasn't 2 seperate timelines rather that OoT was 2 places on one timeline but then Seasons and Ages doesn't make sense. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 06:57 AM Post #26827 |
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Yeah... read all the updates I madeXD |
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| ShadowWarriorLuke | Nov 29 2006, 07:05 AM Post #26828 |
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Technically, both Oracle games happen in both timelines. Just that there's a difference in which one is first. Something like: Timeline A Ages Seasons Timeline B Seasons Ages The end result of each path is the same though. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 07:19 AM Post #26829 |
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was an intended edit: apparently theres mistranslation in LttP, so we can safely put it back at the front of its timeline. That means that map should INDEED also corrispond roughly with the original... so... that works somewhat. Eh so the map theory is shot. At least that explains the silver arrows in both timelines but with the white sword in one and master sword in the other. Hrm.... Yar Labeling. Zelda 2 legend thing Minish Cap Four Swords Ocarina of Time young link adult link Majora's Mask LttP Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess Adventures of Link Wind Waker Oracle Ages Oracle Seasons Link's Awakening I should note that every Link gets a new sword in the original flow of the timeline, but they are stuck with one sword in the b timeline. This is probably because the Link in that timeline is not a true Link, but a substitute. This is also why he goes without the Triforce of Courage for most of the game. Thats probably why its the Master Sword. Once that timeline starts its THE official sword of Link. It also explains LttP and Ocarina's lack of glowy sword. AND it explains the lack of magical beams in the entire B timeline. In fact, every official sword of Link that isn't the Master Sword seems to have the laser beams. Even Feirce Diety Link's=P. Zelda 2 legend thing Minish Cap Four Swords Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask LttP Oracle of Ages <-> Oracle of Seasons Link's Awakening Twilight Princess Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Adventures of Link Yar, now this version seems really simplisticO.o! Its better than explaining Ganon in terms of the triforce though. The triforce is where it needs to be. Theres his revival too. It also has LttP in a position where it can technically prequel LoZ via the Seasons games. New theory taking mine out of the timeline theory and into its own: Oracle of Ages/Seasons essentially combines the Links. Your right. There is only one result and its in the main timeline. Thats when traditional Link disapears, not at the temporal paradox caused by OoT! Maybe... I suspect I just recreated the one in the FAQ in a step by step process folks, goodnight. |
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| Drekal | Nov 29 2006, 10:17 AM Post #26830 |
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Man, and I thought I thought long and hard about this. Phew. I'd probably look for something to argue with you about in there, except it wouldn't be much worth the effort, and that's as valid a theory as any other. Although... I still wanna know what happened during that war that was mentioned in passing during Ocarina. It felt like something they threw out so they could return to it at a later date. There wasn't any need to mention that a war even had taken place: Links mother could have been chased down by monsters that had somehow recognised all the trouble Link would cause the evil side. Similar to how the Deku Tree saw the good he was destined to do. Sadly, I doubt they'll return to it now. They should, and probably planned to, but I don't see it coming now...Unless it was in TP. Don't tell me if it was... |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 29 2006, 12:51 PM Post #26831 |
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So, in that case where did the Four Sword Ganon come from? It says that the guy drew his evil power from the trident and was turned into Ganon, which to me suggests that the trident actually belonged to an earlier Ganon and when it was claimed in Four Sword it took him over and changed him to the Ganon you fight at the end. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 01:16 PM Post #26832 |
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So the trident causes people to turn into Ganon? I don't know, he doesn't have the Trident in OoT at all, but he transforms into Ganon. Same with in LoZ. Maybe the Trident is some way Ganon can cheat death. I was gonnna make one comment. The evil wizard dies, what the fudge was I doing putting that scene at the begining of the Vaati timeline. |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 29 2006, 01:21 PM Post #26833 |
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The only case where the Trident specifically caused somebody to turn into Ganon was on Four Sword. There hasn't seemed to be any significance to the tirdent in any other game. |
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| Newb | Nov 29 2006, 01:24 PM Post #26834 |
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Of course, you're forgetting one very important thing: This probably isn't the last game! These "holes" and "discrepancies" could very well be the next game coming. Ganon was revived, why not Vaati? |
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| Iyestorm | Nov 29 2006, 04:11 PM Post #26835 |
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Hmm... Okay, I'm no expert on the Zelda series, but if we assume that JP is correct... Zelda 2 and Ocarina of time both have both Link and Dark Link. But as far to my knowledge, none of the other games do. Is it possible that in one of those timelines, you might actually be playing as Dark Link? I bet I'm totally wrong about that. But that's okay, I have a different theory. Link's awakening was about Link's quest to wake up, right? Is it possible that what he was trying to wake up from was getting the Master Sword in OoT? Maybe the entire dream was supposed to be more hero training so that Link's seven-year stasis wouldn't be wasted. ...Like I said, I'm no expert on the Zelda series, and 75% of what I just said is probably wrong. But hey, I can speculate, right? ... ...I'll shut up now. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 04:18 PM Post #26836 |
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I'm thinking part of the translation thing is that Aganhim is Vaati, or possibly a pseudonym. Midna might be his dark world opposite, or possibly him by yet another name. They do all have blue skin. Anyways, another thing to consider is the Trident of Power being the Triforce of Power in another form deal. When Ganondorf changed into Ganon in Ocarina that the symbol on his hand disapeared, but he gained trident(s). Thats been a theory for awhile now. One observation I have is that the name Aganhim contains the letters Mi(h instead of d)na in reverse. The name also contains the vowels of Vaati in it. This flaw in the link here could possibly be again the result of translation or a cryptogram/yet another anagram. Someone needs to find out his exact japanese name. If Ganon is created, or rather summoned, by people using the triforce of power, does that make him the Hyrule equivalent to the devil? So possibly what we're getting here is that for the duration of Majora's Mask, there is no Ganon in the A timeline. After that, we have the Oracle of Ages/Seasons thing, where the Ganon from one timeline is revived and placed in both the other timelines. This would explain having to kill him 2 more times in seperate timelines. I'm guessing one of the other triforce bearers is needed to ressurect Ganon, which is why Twinrova got Zelda and Adventures of Link has minions trying to get Link's blood. A possibility is that Ganon is an enity stored in the triforce of power, but not of it. Thus maybe when he was unsealed, he became vulnerable to dieing for true again. I should also note that my timeline accounts for Shadow Link too. He either gets defeated in Ocarina or at the end of Adventures of Link. http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/archiv...hp/t-20301.html Interesting. I do not recall, was there another wizard in the Forsaken Fortress., or specifically in the dark world version thing behind the portal? That may be the mark of a magic user... I think I do remember one. edit: Also note the birdish shape of the wizzrobes in that game. Like the Zora alternates. Perhaps some birdish making curse was cast on both. Perhaps their mark, maybe to use magic? edit: maybe the Zora are... crossbreeds? Perhaps with the Zola? Or maybe humans. Tough call. |
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| MikePB | Nov 29 2006, 06:12 PM Post #26837 |
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Interesting stuff, guys... One thing that I just noticed (which may mean shit ) is that Aganhim sound like Ganon if you say it right...Also, still watching the Zelda retrospective thing, which is REALLY fun... they even mock the CD-I Zeldas Thanks for the link (no pun! I swear!) on that JP.
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| Blackdeathdraco | Nov 29 2006, 06:26 PM Post #26838 |
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Point one: Midna is the darkword alternate of Zelda. Why else would she be able to accept the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda? Point two: I remember seeing Shadow Link in the remake of LoZ:LttP and the GC's 4-Sowrds. Point three: I could belive that if it was all 1 timeline then it uses that same timeline with timeline B after the events of timeline A but the Sword started to lose its power from saving the world so many times. Point four: The reseruction thing makes sense but I would call it "banishment" since the games make me think they keep breaking free to come back and tarrorize. Edit: Made the invisitext truly invisible. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 29 2006, 06:34 PM Post #26839 |
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Well the shiek also use the eye thing, so that makes sense. The only thing that bothers me is that none of the royal family has blue skin. Perhaps the king married a woman from this blue-skin mage things, thus resulting in Zelda. That could probably work. In other words, perhaps thats where this is going. Maybe the shiek were turned into birds. Well, the original Zelda did have brown hair and red clothes. And Zelda has her blue eyes, not to mention her blue shiek outfit. That would really make much more sense, then we can explain the Zora, blue Zola. In other words, in Zelda there was once a race of blue skinned people that died out but were interbred with other races. By the time of Wind Waker, anyone with that blood was turned into birds. |
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| Iyestorm | Nov 29 2006, 07:35 PM Post #26840 |
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Yo Draco, thanks for the not-invisible spoiler. >:( |
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) is that Aganhim sound like Ganon if you say it right...
Thanks for the link (no pun! I swear!) on that JP.

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