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Games and Stuff; Gaming talk, and so forth...
Topic Started: Oct 18 2004, 05:49 AM (230,074 Views)
Drekal
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Probably me, quite some time ago. I have mentioned it before.
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Drekal,Nov 29 2006
02:14 PM
'Kay, here's a thought about Zelda continuity.

Ganon existed before Ganondorf. Hear me out on this...


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Actually the Zelda comicbook series, while not generally considered canon had a great take on this.

At one point, Link actually got ahold of thr Triforce of Power. Using it, his personality became darker and more violent as he went along and eventually his features even started changing to those of a pig.

It's quite likely that a ganon like creature is always the result of trying to harness that much power, however I doubt it actually got that name until Ganondorf first became Ganon. Whenever that happened.

One more things. They have explained why every female is named Zelda, and Link could easily be a buit of a common name, but if Gerudo only have one male born every hundred years, you wouldn't think there would be so many of them named Ganondorf unless it's some kind of tradition.
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Drekal,Nov 29 2006
04:14 PM
'Kay, here's a thought about Zelda continuity.

Ganon existed before Ganondorf. Hear me out on this...

We all killed Twinrova, right? Yet there they are, in the Oracle games, right at the end, bringing Ganon back. Methinks Ganon is some sort of demonic entity, that possesses people. Twinrova served that entity. They got their hands on Ganondorf (and I'm fairly certain that they somehow engineered that war so this could happen, but that's just speculation) and imbued in him the essence of Ganon. That essence sorta guided Ganondorf throughout his life, and finally broke free after Link kicks his ass. After that, Ganondorf got sealed away for a while, got outta that (don't know the details, don't tell me), TP happens, then the events described in Wind Waker occur. Hyrule is flooded, then Ganondorf returns centuries later...I don't recall if the time was specified so feel free to correct that. Anyway, Ganon didn't show up there, indicating that Ganondorf was either free of his influence and acting of his own free will, or was suppressing him for some reason. More likely the first for a variety of reasons.

Anyway. At various points throughout the history of the Zelda games, Ganon possesses various people, usually those that find the Triforce or just the Triforce of Power. When that form is defeated, Ganon moves on.

Until something happens in a game that places ALttP and the NES games at some point in the continuity, it's purely speculation whether they occured before or after any other game in the series...

Yeah I basically had this in mine.

I would assume he didn't transform because he didn't have the triforce of power. The king did.

That brings up a good point though, yeah I think you need to be evil to transform for this. Perhaps it works similiarly to the "sacred realm".

I still think the Trident is or is part of the Triforce of Power just in another manifestation.

And just for reference there is word from Miyamoto and crew that TP and TWW do NOT happen in the main timeline. The split timeline theory is pretty much proven as far as that, its which game is in which timeline thats still questionable.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midna

I want it to go on record and say I'd thought of that part of the theory just from the trailer vids of Midna.

More Spoilers, this time textual and not linktual, so hidden text'd.

So with the Twili, I have even further proof that LttP belongs before TP, because thats demonstrating Ganon in the SACRED REALM. Thats the only point in the timeline where he *is* in the sacred realm.

http://thumbs2.fanart-central.net/thumb.ph...9D9CA5&size=128

http://xerto.free.fr/vaati.jpg

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Obviously the Hylians and the Twili are related, and they arn't specific to only humanoids apparently. Or maybe the Hylians and Twili are actually the Picori, and they're all just using size enhancers. Maybe its interbreeding. I don't know.*shrugs*
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Huh. What would happen if Link kept the Fierce Diety Mask and got a hold of the Triforce of Power?

That would make for a wicked sweet villain. Even moreso as a boss fight.
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good in concept, bad when fought against.

Either it's too weak, too contrived or way too strong.
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I always wondered about the origin of the Feirce Deighty mask.

Not Majoras mask, per se, because I've read the manga that explains it...sorta.


The mask was cut from the hide of this terrible monster, that ate anyone that came close to it...Except one guy that tricked it into dancing to death (no kidding!)

And then apparently used in all sorts of evil rituals by people. That part wasn't shown.
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Leo. Emperor Gestahl. FFVI Advance. Full Fledged party members.
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Sweetness... I hope they actually have Bannon past where he leaves too... I mean honestly, he just dissappears.... AND I WANT A RETRANSLATION!



Yeah I am so buying that again.... I hope they come out weith something for wii so you could play GB games on the big screen posably using a DS....
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Cool, I saw a screencap of Gestahl's portrait before clicking that link, this is a bright day for sprite rippers everywhere.
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Hey guys, no need for the Wii Sensor Bar!

http://wii.ign.com/articles/748/748011p1.html
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Yeah...you kids and your new fangled aiming
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Why, back in my day we walked 15 miles both ways to shoot a bow!
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Pff, in my day we walked 20 miles, and the bow was usually not there! We had to use a stick instead and throw it. Now the hit collision was pretty bad so for the hit to work, you had to make sure it hit someone, which usually ended up being yourself!
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Make your own sensor bar for the Wii
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Hit Collision? Pfft back in my day enemies were invincible! You had to run away! The only way you could defeat an opponent was destroying the girders under it or cleverly timing a quick run under the enemy! Sometimes you got packpellets, but those were rare back in my day. That reminds me of a story...

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Jewthulhu,Nov 29 2006
09:05 PM

I dunno... Ghestal doesn't seem to fit with your party in context of the story, yes it is an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation, but in that same regard more than half the party hates the guy since he is the symbol of the tyranical empire they fought against, plus he totally backstabbed them when they did trust him on the floating continent. I don't see it easily resolved...
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Hey cool, wish I'd paid more attention to that at the time.
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Considering Leo's special power was ridiculously broken, and we don't even know what special power Gestahl has, I'm going to say that I'm not sure of the veracity of those claims...

However, I am intrigued by an upgraded FFVI and wish to know more about what, precisely, is going to be upgraded and changed from the original.
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All we know for sure right now is that there's a bonus dungeon and four new espers: leviathan, gilgamesh, jumbo cactuar, and diablos.

And considering all the major characters have portraits now, it would not be incredibly hard to fake a menu screen and battle screen to make it look like it's fancy new characters. (Cid and Kefka included)

But if we do get Leo and Gestahl... awesome!
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From my memories of searching for Game Giene codes for FF6 SNES version in the past I remember stumbling on a Giene glich which foce mods your party and has a farly good probibility of screwing your game.

This glich changes you party to, but not limited to, letting you play as leo and Gestahl, everyone riding Mage-tech armor, letting you play as Kelfka, and maybe more with some combo mixes.

That last part was because I remember controling Kelfka in the armor.
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