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| Alan Bates | Nov 15 2005, 08:26 PM Post #13681 |
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Really? What couldn't you figure out? |
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| Ou des | Nov 15 2005, 08:27 PM Post #13682 |
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Clockwork Contraption
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How he and that black haired guy were connected. And why Tifa thought he was Cloud if he was a clone. Or was he the same Cloud? |
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| Terra Drake | Nov 15 2005, 08:29 PM Post #13683 |
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I have to leave for work soon. But I'll leave you with this. -Incestual Oedipus complex. -Puppet-Slave to his incest-loving flesh blob mother. -Stereotype that embodies everything Japan thinks is cool. So packed full of stereotypes that there's no room left for character. See also: Final Fantasy Romantic Interests. -Thirty foot sword that would snap the moment he actually struck something with it because it's simply too long. Deeply stupid weapon. -No power of his own. -Grand plan: "Hey look, I found a rock that blows up the world!" An apocalypse worthy of Steve the Barber. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 15 2005, 08:31 PM Post #13684 |
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If you mean what they did to azyla, then yeah that was wrong. At least they let him go the first time. Every other instance involved them restoring the timeline or not really murdering anyone(at least that I can think of). Altering the timeline has its own ethical ramifications but thats neither here nor there. And nobody takes Mario plots seriously. |
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| Ou des | Nov 15 2005, 08:34 PM Post #13685 |
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Clockwork Contraption
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If he was a clone does that make it incest or mastrubation ![]() How is Seph's use of the asteroid different than Kefka using the three statues? And what stereotypes? +Ethics mean nothing to a RPG hero! |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 15 2005, 08:36 PM Post #13686 |
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Actually, even in the Azyla example, they tried to save him in the end. Showing respect for life and other intelligent species. -_-' |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 15 2005, 08:36 PM Post #13687 |
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Okay. Here's the gist of thing. Cloud was borna dn raised in Niebelham. he knew Tifa, but they weren't freinds. They barley even knew each other. Cloud eventually left to join SOLDIER and be like Sephiroth. He thought that would impress her. Cloud never made it into SOLDIER. A few years later, Cloud is sent back to his home town on a mission. Accompanying him were Sephiroth and Zack (the black haired guy). Cloud never let anybody in his hometown know who he was. he kept his mask on the whole time he was there. Sephiroth goes crazy. He kills Clou'd mom, burns down the town, and nearly kills Zack and Tifa. Cloud barley stops Sephiroth but shortly afterwaards passes out. Cloud and Zack spend the next five years as lab rats. They're expiremented on in various ways. You know those guys with the black cloaks and the numbers on their hand you see in various towns? Those are people who were turned into Sephiroth clones (unsuccessfuly.) Hojo meant to turn Cloud into something like them, but for various reasons, he turned out differently. Cloud and Zack eventually escape. Cloud is so weak he can hardly move, and his mind has practially been shattered due to trauma. In their escape attempt, Zack is killed and Cloud is left for dead (although in Hojo's report, he says that Cloud escaped.) Cloud eventually picks up Zacks sword and ends up in Midgar where he runs into Tifa again. Possibly due to the expirements, and possibly the trauam, Cloud's memory isn't what it should be. He claims to be a SOLDIER and reworks the story of what really happened when they went back to Niebelham with himself taking Zack's place. That help? |
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| Terra Drake | Nov 15 2005, 08:36 PM Post #13688 |
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Bishoujo. Long hair. White/silver hair. Black leather clothes. Dark attitude. "Cool" strange sword. Scene of walking through fire. Etc. He was a composite of every Japanese "cool" stereotype. |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 15 2005, 08:38 PM Post #13689 |
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I was referring more to Zeal and Ozzie than to Azyla. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 15 2005, 08:41 PM Post #13690 |
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Ozzie never died. He fell down a couple of pits, but he didn't die. Zeal is a single person who was fighting alone. There wern't an innocents to endanger in the Black Omen. |
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| Ou des | Nov 15 2005, 08:42 PM Post #13691 |
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Clockwork Contraption
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I just found this.
No. I liked it. The love plot was annoying (mostly cause I hated Tidus), but I liked the gameplay and most of the characters. Specifically I liked the linear nature of the game. You had one goal through the whole game, more or less. |
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| Algasir | Nov 15 2005, 08:43 PM Post #13692 |
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Green hair!
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I liked X, but I liked other FFs better. I loathe X-2 with all my being. |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 15 2005, 08:45 PM Post #13693 |
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yes, but you completley destroyed his kingdom when you fought against Ozzie. Same for Zeal, and the Black Omen wasn't when you first went against her either. |
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| Ou des | Nov 15 2005, 08:47 PM Post #13694 |
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Clockwork Contraption
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Zeal destroyed her own kingdom. And Ozzy lost when Magus summoned Lavos. Each of they're defeats was destined. |
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| Juron Pilo | Nov 15 2005, 08:47 PM Post #13695 |
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What, exactly, are you accusing them of? |
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| Terra Drake | Nov 15 2005, 08:48 PM Post #13696 |
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I hated the romance for the opposite reason. I hated Yuna. I kept wanting to see Rikku and Tidus get together. They had so much chemistry!
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| mordain | Nov 15 2005, 08:48 PM Post #13697 |
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Codewalker
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I sincerely hope you mean Bishounen. ![]() And yeah, I bet you just described why he's the most popular character by a margin of LOTS over on Gamefaqs... |
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| Terra Drake | Nov 15 2005, 08:49 PM Post #13698 |
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Yes, I think I did. He "looks cool", and for a lot of people, that takes complete precedence over his lack of motivation, character development, personality, or anything other than what you see. |
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| Alan Bates | Nov 15 2005, 08:49 PM Post #13699 |
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Ah. So it's better when the heroes just stand back and let the villians beat themselves instead of actually trying to do anything to stop them. Okay. That makes no real sense. |
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| mordain | Nov 15 2005, 08:51 PM Post #13700 |
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Codewalker
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Am I the only person out there who thinks that a game WITHOUT a strong (or even existant) romantic plotline is a good thing? And Alan: It's a destiny thing. You can't really apply logic to it. |
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