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Games and Stuff; Gaming talk, and so forth...
Topic Started: Oct 18 2004, 05:49 AM (230,457 Views)
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MechaV,May 5 2006
07:56 PM
You should not however, support the introduction of a new character in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

Look back over the last few years and tell me a console Sonic game WITHOUT a brand, spankin' new character.

Sonic Heroes.
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Alphawolf55,May 5 2006
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Jewthulhu,May 5 2006
07:14 PM
Exactly. But, Sonic was cooler, so they cloned him. ANd made him playable to keep with tradition, deafeating the purpose. And now theres THREE IDENTICAL CHARACTERS. EVEN WITH FACTORIN IN MULTIPLAYER, ITS ON THE 360 and PS3, WHICH HAVE ONLY 2 CONTROLERS.

Knuckles is so much cooler.

And screw Shadow dying, just kill Sonic, he deserves it and then Zero can finally be destroyed. Hopefully if the world is good then, Konami will make the characters in MGS not suck and have Ocelot and Solidus be the only good characters.

Sometimes you make absolutley no sense to me, and what scares me is that I can usually even understand Newb.
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MFD,May 6 2006
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MechaV,May 5 2006
07:56 PM
You should not however, support the introduction of a new character in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

Look back over the last few years and tell me a console Sonic game WITHOUT a brand, spankin' new character.

Sonic Heroes.

Nope, Omega. He was new.
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I don't much care for how the Sonic series is pretty much a team thing now. I miss back when it was just Sonic and Tails against Robotnik.
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Alan Bates,May 5 2006
08:11 PM
Alphawolf55,May 5 2006
05:58 PM
Jewthulhu,May 5 2006
07:14 PM
Exactly. But, Sonic was cooler, so they cloned him. ANd made him playable to keep with tradition, deafeating the purpose. And now theres THREE IDENTICAL CHARACTERS. EVEN WITH FACTORIN IN MULTIPLAYER, ITS ON THE 360 and PS3, WHICH HAVE ONLY 2 CONTROLERS.

Knuckles is so much cooler.

And screw Shadow dying, just kill Sonic, he deserves it and then Zero can finally be destroyed. Hopefully if the world is good then, Konami will make the characters in MGS not suck and have Ocelot and Solidus be the only good characters.

Sometimes you make absolutley no sense to me, and what scares me is that I can usually even understand Newb.

-I want Sonic to die because I hate him completely
-I want Zero to die because he's good at it except for the staying dead part
-I want Hideo Kojima to learn how to create good balanced characters because not only are his current characters lame, they lack any true shades of grey. They take the extreme part of every opinion which to me makes boring when it's done too much, especially with how Liquid was.
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I can agree with you on the last one, but the other two I have to disagree. Just because I personally don't like a character doesn't mean I want them gone. There are ways of improving characters or using them in better roles without resulting in killing them off.
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I think Zero is gonna stay dead.

And mabey Shadow will have his own new continuoity too. Like, being Sonic's actual brother and not a stupid alien I never played far enough into Shadow the Hedgehog to figure it out.

And I believe the only Sonic games ever not to introduce new characters were Sonic 3d Blast and Robotnic's Mean Bean Machine.
Hey, the comic seems to be updating kind of regularly. Maybe we should vote to spread the word.

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Why is it that folks give so much focus and attention to Sonic's(speaking as a series)' plots?

Since the very begining, the plot's been nothing but a device to get the characters into situations that invoke(or at least, attempt to) "holy crap, that was awesome!" This ain't exactly a new, controversial paradigm.

Certainly not to say that a deep, complex(but not convoluted) and inspiring story cannot be told though gaming, but, with the right gameplay, it is not necessary for an enjoyable game. Look at Devil May Cry, Katamari Damacy, hell, Mario! These are not games with deep messages or elegant scripting, but(I hope and pray) that no one goes around lambasting Viewtiful Joe for its entirely cornball story.

So, if these games are spared scrutiny(still hopin') from their plot's deficiencies, why aren't Sonic's overlooked?
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Alan Bates,May 5 2006
08:43 PM
I can agree with you on the last one, but the other two I have to disagree.  Just because I personally don't like a character doesn't mean I want them gone.  There are ways of improving characters or using them in better roles without resulting in killing them off.

Your right there is a way to improve Sonic. Make him not Sonic anymore.

Edit: Also I'm glad someone finally agrees with my opinion of MGS has a alright story but weak character personalities "DNA DECIDES EVERYTHING!11!"
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Because Sonic tries to have a story. It's like comparing Google to Microsoft; when Google falls of the pedestool they've set up for themselves, it's much bigger news.
Hey, the comic seems to be updating kind of regularly. Maybe we should vote to spread the word.

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Sonic tries to take itself seriously, despite the fact that it is about a goddamn talking blue rodent. Mario revels in its silliness.
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Hey that blue rodent is hardcore, yo.
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Kuraiou,May 5 2006
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Ryu: that is awesome. FFT is by and far one of my favorite games. AI is really, really, REALLY hard to program, though :/

I will stay out of the sonic talk, I haven't liked a sonic game since the Sonic and Knuckles.

and I am finding this time through FFT really fugging hard, I have been going through a few random battles to get my party their classes and stuff, and these guys are not that bright, I do notice that the AI holds haste in high priority as opposed to say healing, I imagine as soon as I get people's class setups on part they should be fine...I love White Mages with draw out, and blade grasp.
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I don't remember Sephiroth being this hard. @.@ The Sephiroth battle in KH1 was pretty simple, formulaic. Easy enough to get the hang of. This time around...I'm just not strong enough. I beat him at level 58 last time.

This time, he just killed me in three strikes. I must get stronger.
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you got MP Rage, Aeroga and Curaga?
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"The biggest thing about my dad's world is he wanted people to have fun in life," Weinhagen said. "I think we get distracted by the everyday things you have to do in life and we forget to enjoy life and have fun.

"But my dad never did," she said. "He just wanted people to have fun."
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Regrettably, the Aero spells are not available in KH2.
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Oh i thought you were talking about the KH1 sephiroth..my bad, yea go talk to Notty about that one....I am not fighting sephiroth untill I get to him on Pro
Malia Weinhagen talking about her father Dave Arneson
 

"The biggest thing about my dad's world is he wanted people to have fun in life," Weinhagen said. "I think we get distracted by the everyday things you have to do in life and we forget to enjoy life and have fun.

"But my dad never did," she said. "He just wanted people to have fun."
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KH2 Sephy, huh?

Couple of tips.

1.) If you don't have Once More, don't waste your time, level until you have it.

2.) If at all possible, use Mega/Elixers, if you can't manage that, use Hi-Potions with Item-Boost.

3.) LEVEL UP YOUR FORMS. You need High Jump (Valor), Quick Run (Wisdom), Aerial Dodge (Master), and Glide (Final). If you don't have these, you can't interrupt Heartless Angel.

4.) Guard + Counterguard > Sephy's basic attack string. Mash Guard right when he attacks, the immediately start hitting X, works EVERY TIME.

5.) Use Reflega as much as possible, within reason. If you can't avoid an attack, just chain-cast Reflega as much as possible.

6.) Don't knock him into the air if you can avoid it. Ground combos are overall stronger, and if he tries the multi-slash while you're in the air, you can't Reaction-block it.

Shouldn't be much else. If I think of something, I'll add it later.
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>.> I am at him on Pro.

Guard/Countergard...I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, Notty.
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A few more things that I've thought of.

Careful use of Aerial Dodge can get you through Meteor with nary a scratch.

When he starts spamming dark orbs in his last couple of bars, once again, USE REFLEGA.

You can use Reflega to counter his multi-slash move, and if he's close enough to you when it ends, the damage reflected can be worth the risk of not using the Reaction block.
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