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| ~ Sophie | Jun 19 2010, 03:15 AM Post #21 |
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Doesn't SoS tell Erim that the one she cries for is just an illusion created by the real Alex or something like that? How would SoS know this when its component parts do not? And yet...viewing SoS as a yandere does make a lot of sense... |
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die. <- This form appears through the Old man glitch if y is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name. LOIDS SUCK, NICO NICO NII~ | |
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| Nifar | Jun 19 2010, 03:33 AM Post #22 |
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Possibly a "the result is more than the sum of it's parts" kind of thing? The individual parts only kind of recognize him, but the gestalt SoS, with all of the knowledge and powers of them all (plus the shard and mask, presumably), has enough ability to realize what's going on? After all, the Touched have been shown to be able to if not break, than to at least perceive the in-universe Fourth Wall. So, working on a kind of combination theory from some other popular theories: What is Ryan isn't a real person but a horribly befuddles sprite? What if, as a child, Alex played in Videoland under the watchful eye of Hope Keene, and this left a lasting impression on Videoland, creating Bob, Ryan, and the SoS, and imbibing in each a little of him. The SoS is a kind of gestalt of all of the heroines of games with nameless protagonists, whom Alex filled the shoes of while he was exploring their areas of Videoland, with the added influence of game!Hope, and created by an artifact from beyond the Mirror (possibly introduced to Videoland by Mirror!Hope), which I shall dub the Heart of Sorrow until I find out if it already has a name. Upon creating the SoS, or at some later point, the Heart of Sorrow was shattered into two pieces: The Mask and the Shard (ever notice how the two seem to fit together?). Some point during Alex's long absence from Videoland, the Cataclysm happens, caused by the creation of the SoS and her subsequent rise to power. In response, someone, possibly Videoland itself, tries to pull the one chosen to be the next Gamemaster, Alex, through to Videoland, and instead they get the cat. Who may or may not have been affected by Videoland, or may have originated in Videoland, given how intelligent it is. After another indeterminable length of time, the cat manages to engineer the "accident" that brings the rightful Gamemaster to Videoland. |
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| Sir Donald | Jun 22 2010, 07:10 PM Post #23 |
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Ok, I'm going to have to invoke Occam's Razor here and say that the SOS is not the amalgam of the Love Interests of (HelloInsertNameHere). Rather, she was able to "turn" them easily by the revelation that the "real" Alex will never return, even though he left doll-like copies based on (HelloInsertNameHere). Though that does leave the question of how the Sovereign was able to contact them in the first place. Ok, forget what I said about Occam's Razor being invoked. On a side note, anyone else catch how ineffective male Touched people are? (e.g. Spoony, Max Force, maybe Kain if he isn't merely brainwashed...) It's always a girl that advances the Sovereign's cause significantly. |
| It's a flimsy pretext, but I'm sure that the N-Team have gotten away with worse. | |
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| Spriteless Girl | Jun 22 2010, 07:38 PM Post #24 |
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When men cry, people laugh at them. When women cry, people die. |
Hey, the comic seems to be updating kind of regularly. Maybe we should vote to spread the word.
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| MFD | Jun 22 2010, 09:31 PM Post #25 |
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THIEF!
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also emo males are week I dunno about heroes being copies of when Alex played as them. I don't think it fits with some heroes you know Alex played as i.e. Mario. Also I doubt Hope brougt Alex to Videoland to play as a kid. That makes little sense to me. Perhaps, though... there might be something gender-related. What if the fact that Kevin's child, the natural heir to the Gamemaster title, was a girl completely fucked Videoland up? The hero is supposed to be the boy. The girl is supposed to be relegated to being a prize or support. What if Hope was sick of that status quo? Let's look at her servants: Lucca- Certainly not your typical girl. Rydia- She's a powerhouse in her own right Rosa- JD completely threw her relationship with Cecil into a Tilt-a-whirl. Edward- A man who doesn'lt fit the status quo. Kain- Takes the whole hero/damsel dynamic to creepy new levels. Max Force- Pretends he's a perfect hero Roy Koopa- Pretends he's a real adult male lizardthing. Roll- Support Light- Support |
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Oceans rise, empires fall I need to know If the world says it's time to go Tell me will you freak out? | |
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| GlancingReverse | Jun 23 2010, 02:42 AM Post #26 |
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Except Mario isn't normally a character without a given name, he is established in the game as having a name of Mario. |
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| Nifar | Jun 23 2010, 09:00 AM Post #27 |
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This, really. For example, Link is a silent protagonist, but he's named; the hero from Shining Force (which isn't actually a SNES game, but did get ported to one of the Game Boys) is not. Fortunately for Shining Force, the first protagonist didn't really have a love interest. I can't remember if the second did or not. |
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| Sir Donald | Jun 23 2010, 12:05 PM Post #28 |
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And, ironically enough, Lufia's boyfriend is a HelloInsertNameHere, but he had quite a bit of dialog. Hence you'd think he would have a personality independent of The Player. |
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| MFD | Jun 23 2010, 12:09 PM Post #29 |
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Lufia's boyfriend is named Maxim... |
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Oceans rise, empires fall I need to know If the world says it's time to go Tell me will you freak out? | |
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| Sir Donald | Jun 23 2010, 01:25 PM Post #30 |
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No, Lufia's boyfriend is the (nameless) (great-?)grandson of Maxim. Maxim was the Hero of Lufia 2 and the end of that story was seen at the start of Lufia 1. |
| It's a flimsy pretext, but I'm sure that the N-Team have gotten away with worse. | |
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| Starcat5 | Jun 23 2010, 06:49 PM Post #31 |
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Slag it, people! I said "EFFECTIVELY" a gistalt, not "LITERALLY" one! It all depends on how her powers work, the connection of Videoland!Hope and iRL!Hope (If they are the same person or not), how much of a "Relationship" there was between iRL!Hope and Alex, and when Mirror!Hope/SoS came into existance. My theory, in long hand, is this. She is a mirror copy of someone who is desended from a mirror copy of a RL human. Hope's powers as a Gamemaster desendant are probbably a little out of whack becouse, technicly, she ISN'T. There isn't much proof that she HAS powers, but there were hints at precognition in one of the flashbacks, which apparently didn't work just right becouse Videoland got a cat instead of Alex. She is depicted as being a little sad, but generally hopeful. Another point, Hope and Sorrow are both mirrored reflections of each other, since hope is being in a dark point in life and looking twords goodness later on, while sorrow is looking square into the screeming abyss. Taken all together, the SoS is the Funhouse reflection of a broken mirror in the form of a very HOT princess. This results in a mirror copy awsome power run by a fractured and Emo mind. Think the Lord of Nightmares on 50CCs of uncut, condenced, refined, pure bat$#!+ insanity. The SoS's power is her mind, and that mind is not only fractured, but more recently has been split right in half. Moving on, before the wall of text becomes even MORE impenatrable, one must question the very nature of Videoland royalty. My theory on this little bauble is simple. In the mists of unrecorded history, the first Gamemaster entered videoland, and his expectations gave it shape. (see recent comic entries) One of these expectations is that the Hero always gets the girl. And since being a Gamemaster automaticly makes him the Hero, Videoland provided. Fastforward who knows how many generations, and the bloodline of the Royal Designated Love Interest reachs Lana, who thanks to that bleach bottle blonde Simonne, ends up doing the horazontal bop with the wrong person. The Line of Queens has been broken, and from we can piece together from Alex's relationship with iRL!Hope, I doubt that it is going to get forged anew. ...and the SoS knows it. In short, the SoS is the dark reflection of a failed Designated Love Intrest, which I suspect is the reason that she is able to effect other DLIs as strongly as she does, with extra emphasis on DLIs for Heros who are little more than blank avatars for a player to interact through. Named Heros with lines are safe. Heroic Mimes like Crono get a pass, since they are named charectors. Nameless Heros (All of whom will now be refered to as Alex) who aren't Mimes get a 50/50 shot of still being in Videoland. The rest, as the SoS has pointed out, are little more than echos of Alex himself, and thus when he has finished the game, they are gone with him. All those DLIs are effectively in the same boat as the SoS; Fully thinking and feeling standins for Alex's REAL DLI, Hope. ...except that Hope is NOT a DLI, which makes the whole thing more tragic, but that is a tangent. These abandoned DLIs are on a sympathetic mental wave as the SoS herself and thus easier to infect. Another tangent here, but it could be possable that the more of the SoS eats away at the mind of a sprite, the more that sprite's personality colors the SoS, ever so slightly. After who KNOWS how many sprites she's effected over the "Years", one has to wonder just how much of Mirror!Hope is actually left in there. And that ends my lecture for today. For those of you who were able to actually understand all that, feel free to explain it to the rest of the class. No really, please do. I'm begging you. I WROTE it and ~I~ can barely follow it! ![]() {Edit} I'm copying this to the Theories thread in hopes that someone there can break this down into something borderline understandable. |
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