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#664 Flaming Boomerang; That burn came right back at him
Topic Started: Apr 22 2011, 05:55 AM (744 Views)
Cyrus
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Soo...what do you think we're getting after this cell interlude?
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A completley new sidestory with character we've yet to see.

My guess if PLOK, Radical Rex, and Wayne Cambpell working together to save Mike Haggar from Sigma.

Actually, that's my second guess. My first guess is anything but that.
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Probably back to Alex.
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Final Fantasy VI?
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Don't be silly. There's no FFVI in this comic.
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Here's the thing: Spoony knows he and everyone he's ever met are characters in a game. But taking a step back, they're characters in a story. And he's a bard, isn't he? He knows that writers don't have the same responsibilities to their characters that people in the same world have to one another. Granted, I've probably grown up with much more metafiction in my diet than he has, but Takashi Tokita, Hironobu Sakaguchi, and the rest of Squaresoft had not done anything to him that they can legitimately be morally faulted for. Probably not even Alex.
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Here's the thing: Spoony knows he and everyone he's ever met are characters in a game.

Yes, his life, his pain, his suffering, the bombing of his kingdom, the deaths of those he loved, all of that was just something for somebody elses amusement.

I can't see how anybody could step back and say "Well, you killed everyone I ever loved, but that's okay, because it was just part of a story for your own amusement."
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Is he the storytelling type of bard or the singing type of bard? It might make a difference. But even if it doesn't...

I don't think anyone's claiming that Edward's being rational here. Quite the opposite, really. He's effectively attempting to get revenge on god for ruining his life (a god that had no larger cosmic plan beyond entertainment and money, which is the real kicker), and apparently has the power to succeed. The fact that 'god' was unaware he was actually sentient doesn't matter - even if you allow the game designers the opportunity to get out of culpability in that way, they never even attempted to find out and just kept on creating world after world and destroying life after life merely to make money. Nor does ignorance absolve one of guilt, if you believe the crime is heinous enough.

We know that no one is to blame, but we're also, from Edward's perspective, part of the group of privileged gods who enjoy watching people suffer, and even toying with them as they do so through small methods like giving someone a stupid name. I would also note that Edward's life is literally pain, considering he is reduced to agony every time he so much as thinks about stubbing his toe; I suspect the Sovereign didn't have to do much to make him pissed off when she revealed that someone had literally designed him to suffer.

(I was not intending on writing an essay about this, geez)

tldr: No, he's not rational. I don't think he cares. He just wants revenge at this point.
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That's not an essay! I demand an introductory and closing paragraph!

But yeah... I'd say Spoony is certainly bonkers, but that doesn't mean that in some way he isn't justified.
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He's like most terrorists. He's got a rather justified beef with an genuinely unfair authority, but lacks a sense of proportion or value to the life of innocent bystanders and ends up doing horrible horrible things as bad or, usually, worse than that authority in his attempts to fight it.
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Cyrus,Apr 22 2011
10:15 AM
That's not an essay! I demand an introductory and closing paragraph!

...what is this, high school?

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IN CONCLUSION, I think you are all a bunch of sillyheads. The end.
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...to be fair, the essay structure format whatever crap was demanded out of me in some college classes, too.
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Alan Bates,Apr 22 2011
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Here's the thing: Spoony knows he and everyone he's ever met are characters in a game.

Yes, his life, his pain, his suffering, the bombing of his kingdom, the deaths of those he loved, all of that was just something for somebody else's amusement.

I can't see how anybody could step back and say "Well, you killed everyone I ever loved, but that's okay, because it was just part of a story for your own amusement."

Here I am reminded of 'Kidd Radd' and the moral dilemmas brought up by the main villain of the series. Her position being of knowing that it was a game, she was a pointless character, and her will to rise above her own programming.

I honestly could only think of this while watching Edward. Though he knows he is merely a game, an amusement created by another, he stills clings to the relationships that were written, unlike the villain in Radd.

"Course her circumstances were a little different in the fact that she was removed from the game, and Edward is still inside it, and the fact that she was a random battle, and had no backstory.

Though being tormented by the player they both have in common.

................................. I suddenly have the urge to re-re-re-read Kidd Radd.
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I know exactly what you mean, and I say go for it. >.> Been meaning to do the same, now that I've found a modern Firefox-compatible version.

Funnily enough you mentioned it. I'd just been thinking this quote did a good job of describing Spoony: "He was just... well, like a lot of madmen. Somewhat accurate view of the problem, really insane view of the solution."
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It's interesting here that Alex is mocking Ryan for his "hypocrisy" in this situation, and I took it for granted that Alex was justified in doing so, but the comparison - unless I just don't understand it - doesn't seem warranted. How, for instance, is Spoony putting his opinions over the facts? How do the facts show that the characters aren't worthless or aren't devoid of meaning? And how, exactly, is Spoony judging without understanding the Hows and Whys?

And isn't it entirely fair for someone to judge that an action was wrong in spite of the HOWs and WHYs? Obviously, Hitler's own philosophies and understanding of the world reinforced what he did, but we still legitimately consider the Holocaust wrong. When the Phoenicians sacrificed their children to pacify Molech, they were living within a particular paradigm that would justify that if true too. It seems almost as if Alex is doing exactly what the Rock Knight said the Sovereign wished to do, specifically render good and evil meaningless.
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Alan Bates,Apr 22 2011
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Here I am reminded of 'Kidd Radd' and the moral dilemmas brought up by the main villain of the series. Her position being of knowing that it was a game, she was a pointless character, and her will to rise above her own programming.

................................. I suddenly have the urge to re-re-re-read Kidd Radd.

yeah. Well, you just introduced me to that comic, and I just read the whole freaking thing. Five hours, man, five freaking hours!

But damn, what a ride!
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Atalas,Apr 24 2011
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Zero Spectrem,Apr 23 2011
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Alan Bates,Apr 22 2011
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Here I am reminded of 'Kidd Radd' and the moral dilemmas brought up by the main villain of the series. Her position being of knowing that it was a game, she was a pointless character, and her will to rise above her own programming.

................................. I suddenly have the urge to re-re-re-read Kidd Radd.

yeah. Well, you just introduced me to that comic, and I just read the whole freaking thing. Five hours, man, five freaking hours!

But damn, what a ride!

No way you read that in only fiv hours. I take days.

'Course I read very slow to absorb story, and am doing things in-between.

...But I'm glad you enjoyed it. Isn't the story telling, and moral dilemmas in it just amazing! It's like if .hack were quirky, and 8 bit.

And now you can see the comparisons in storylines and character development.

Also, Radd references Bob and George a lot, have you read BnG? I love BnG, that's were I got into Sprite comics, and CSNES.
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It is not a rickroll. It is not a joke. Just click the damn link already.
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You had a midget on your a** and you didn't notice?
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Atalas
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started reading Bob and George some time back, but at the time my computer was riddled with viruses. Never actually bothered to try and reread it since, for some reason.

and let's see, I started reading it around, maybe 1 pm, and finished around 5 pm, so four hours actually. I did kinda breeze though it, but a lot of those scenes that ended in "Next" skipped straight to that.
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Atalas,Apr 25 2011
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started reading Bob and George some time back, but at the time my computer was riddled with viruses. Never actually bothered to try and reread it since, for some reason.

and let's see, I started reading it around, maybe 1 pm, and finished around 5 pm, so four hours actually. I did kinda breeze though it, but a lot of those scenes that ended in "Next" skipped straight to that.

Did you mean that it skipped the action scenes? It is an old comic and even my browser misses things.

And yes, finish Bob and George, even if it takes forever. It not called the GranDaddy of Sprites comics for nothing. It ended back in '07, but a lot of people still read it.

It pretty much uses and abuses every cliche you've ever seen or read. Then the dead horse thread on the forum further beat the horse, but crashed and died a few years back. There was great mourning.
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It is not a rickroll. It is not a joke. Just click the damn link already.
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You had a midget on your a** and you didn't notice?
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When in doubt throw the women!
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