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| Demitel | Oct 10 2010, 02:54 AM Post #191 |
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I don't show it often, trust me. I'd rather not bring it up in most cases, but I'll admit that I let myself slip here and there. Nor am I one to regularly hold grudges. It's just that it's not a wrong committed against myself—I pardon those all too easily. I'm not going to go into it any further, but he's not being exonerated anytime soon. As for the negativity, if you're objectively observing it and seeing too much of it, then I'll do my part to tone it down. I try to be as lively and joking as I can as often as I can, but I guess I need to maintain a modicum of control over anything else. Apologies. |
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| KainHighwind | Oct 10 2010, 02:58 AM Post #192 |
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Well, thank you for your open-mindedness. In hindsight, I can see how it'd be a touchy subject, and my first post there wasn't the most... Objectively worded, so thanks for not blowing it out of proportion. Like I said, I've gotten it off my chest, so that's it for me about this. I'm glad you understand. |
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| ValkyrieWing | Oct 10 2010, 03:01 AM Post #193 |
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I believe you need to go over threads and posts made by myself, sir, and actually count how many times I've actually brought up any of these people because you're under the impression I've done so frequently, when, in truth, it's been no more than twice; once was here and another time was on your introduction thread. |
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| KainHighwind | Oct 10 2010, 03:04 AM Post #194 |
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Well, not just you. It's just that you're here right now and, say, Wedge is not. If he was, I'd be bitching at him for bringing up RDF all the time. It's a flexible argument :p |
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| Demitel | Oct 10 2010, 03:20 AM Post #195 |
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I try to be as open-minded as I can be in most cases. And, to other parties that happen to be reading the thread: while I apologize for childish mudslinging, it's best that you just ignore it, forget about it, and move along. |
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| UltimaFox | Oct 10 2010, 10:02 AM Post #196 |
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The Most Interesting Man
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Fuck, now we can't yell "PISS OFF!" at people anymore. |
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| rshadowkirby | Oct 10 2010, 11:46 AM Post #197 |
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yeah imma try to be nicer too (i guess i can tone down my polarityness for the sake of the forums because even though some dislike me i do like this place) |
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| Mikeee | Oct 10 2010, 12:38 PM Post #198 |
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Alright, so at first I saw a little tussle going on here and thought that I'd try to let it sort it's own self out and what not, but after being directed here and asked for my opinion by some people, I decided to read all of what went down, and I find the need to sort of some of the things that I read. Let me start with what I originally saw and thought to let settle out, and that was the kirbs issue. A few people from this community have come to me complaining about kirbs in the past for their own personal reasons, but for some reason I assumed that people would actually be capable of getting over this for the betterment of the community. Honestly, I'm kind of shocked it hasn't, because I feel like the hatred of kirbs at this point is just sort of juvenile. I feel like most of the people who "hate" kirbs really don't know him all that well, and just find him sort of annoying. And while I completely appreciate that people can hold feelings like that about others, it's always seemed to me to be one of those things that should only be mentioned in private conversation. Kirbs has not done any great wrongs to anyone on this forum. On the contrary, kirbs has been one of the people through all of this that had acted as a true friend to Joel, Reyn, and myself. He stood up for us because it was what he believed in, even though in turn he left behind people on DF who sometimes treated him well, and ended up getting generally harassed here. I don't really like what's been done to him, but I'm still hoping that the members with an issue will be mature enough to just try and resolve it on their own without any disciplinary actions needing to be taken, because if I end up having to hand out warnings everytime two people who don't like each other on here run into one another, it's going to be a huge pain in the ass. Now, aside from the kirbs issue, which I agree with Ghurdrich about, I pretty much entirely disagree with everything else he's said here. When I look around the forums, the first things I notice are the craftings of a ruleset and a system, and Dissidia related discussion trying to further our goals. I feel that this will become even clearer to the general public soon (read: possibly today) when I compile the staff discussion about what our plans for the competitive scene are release them to the public members for their criticism and opinions. I think it's ridiculous to say that the first thing some non-integrated member who plays Dissidia would notice would be DF hate bashing, and I think if someone sees that as the main outcome of this forum they're horribly jaded. Another thing I really don't appreciate Ghurdrich chiming in on is the issues with RDF and Dave. First and foremost, you talk about things being said "behind their back", and I have to wonder if you're living in some sort of a fantasy world. Do you really think they don't lurk this site as guests every day? Before you try to answer that, I've been known, in my curiosity, to run the IP Addresses of the guests that lurk this board, and have indeed caught both of them on multiple occasions. So, it's pretty safe for you, me, Joel, Demitel, Valk, and anyone else to assume that Dave and RDF read everything we say here. Even beyond that simple point of clarification, we really don't bring them up here often, at all. Personally, I know that I hardly ever speak about RDF and Dave here because I've been too busy actually pushing for the type of discussion I want to define this forum. So, once again, and with all due respect, I think your perspective of the boards and what you "See" is being horribly jaded by your position as a DF staff member. You see instances that occur not very often, and blow them out of proportion because of what you assume the people here will act. At least that's really the only explanation I can come up with for this. Even beyond all of what I just said, it's also ridiculous that you somehow think the people here don't have the right to speak poorly about Dave and RDF, ESPECIALLY Joel, if that's who you say you want to bitch at the most. Joel was entirely isolated and defamed on a site he put hours of work into, primarily by the slanders of those two members. And before you start trying to cast doubt on that fact, it's NOT just something that Joel has perceived and isn't actually going on. I've had discussions with members on Dissidia Forums who have spoke poorly about Joel, which is not something I'm willing to stand for, so I explain the entire situation about them. More often than not, at the end of it all they admit that they knew NOTHING of the situation, and never heard anything other than the fact that Joel was demoted, and figured it was because he was a jerk to someone. It's stupid to think that actions that cause the amount of pain in a person like what happened to Joel can be cured in under a month. Joel put his trust in people who he thought were his friends, people who pretended to be his friends, and was entirely crushed and then spit on by them, being told "he deserved everything that came to him". No matter what anyone on Dissidia Forums says, or what is attempted to be concealed, if Joel wants to tell his story, and express what happened to him, he has every right to do that. But wait! There's more! You also say that Dissidia Forums is "no longer doing anything to us", which honestly, I know is a lie and find very hard to believe that you wouldn't know it's a lie. Listen, I'm not a moron. I know that there have been proposals to make mentioning the "situation with DCB" an infractable/bannable offense. Even beyond that, after I talked to Mass Zero, he promised that he would discuss my proposals for working together with others and get back to me, which at this point is OBVIOUSLY not going to happen. We've all be lied to repeatedly, we're continuing to be shunned, and we're honestly not going to hide any of it. Most of us here were never staff members on DF, it's NOT a "Staff Issue". So no matter how much DF tries to cover it up as a "Staff Issue" and hide what's going on from the general public, it will never be possible to do that, because we're not DF staff. It's a member issue. At this point, I don't even really want to talk about Belts. Never had a really personal issue with the guy, aside from the fact that he's been pushing to have me banned since the day I got on DF. I don't want to talk about Belts as a moderator, because I honestly don't have any fucking reason to talk about how good of a job a moderator does on someone else's site. As for Demitel and Valk, I say if they want to be mad at him, let them. They have their reasons, and I'm positive they're good ones, just like I know Joel has good reasons for his feelings. A forum is a community of people, and this is the way people work. I will never try to get anyone on this site, Member, Moderator, Global Moderator, or Administrator to deny the feelings that they have because they are normal people. It's a Social Community, we're all people, we deal with people feelings and people problems. If I wanted everything to be bottled up I'd just god back to DF. That's why I'm making this post right here for everyone to see, as opposed to in a Private Message of a Staff Board. Get the feelings out in the air, come to turns with them, let a healthy recovery process come into effect. It's the only way to get over things, to evolve as a community. Sorry for the wall. Had a lot to say, I guess. |
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| KainHighwind | Oct 10 2010, 05:49 PM Post #199 |
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Well, at this point, there's something I'd like cleared up. Right up front. However, it's a rather inflammatory issue, so I'd prefer to PM you directly Mike. But if you'd prefer everything be settled in the open to lead to a healthy recovery, then I can respect that (a lot, actually) and I'll post it here instead. But this time, before I open my big mouth, I'm going to request permission first. I only ask because it isn't something that needs to be brought up with the whole of everyone, and it more directly relates to you. Get back to me however you want, and I think it'll solve the last of my private beefs and we can all get back to happy-family-ing. |
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| Demitel | Oct 10 2010, 05:56 PM Post #200 |
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Thank you, Mike. That was incredibly well-written and addressed everything much better than I would have done. Valk mentioned something to me, though, and I wanted to clarify, just to make sure I wasn't misunderstood: I've been incredibly guilty, both here and on DF of being unnecessarily harsh and negative to both rshadowkirby lately, with whom I do have a bit of history, and the thus-unmentioned Scott. I've been kind of an unrighteous negative dick towards both of them, so I paid more attention to that part of Ghurdrich's address at first, because for me, it's true. Maybe for the rest of the forum and in regards to other persons, not so much. However, to reiterate and further elaborate: Belts gets no exoneration from me. He didn't wrong me, but rather someone who I consider family, and that's a much more intolerable sin in my book. I don't apologize for my grudging or my actions done in his name, nor will I, and I wish to make abundantly clear my stance on that. |
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