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| The Awkward Hour Incident; The Explosion That Ticked Me Off... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 29 2008, 11:44 PM (425 Views) | |
| Maria Viola | May 29 2008, 11:44 PM Post #1 |
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Some Random Gal
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Before I start off this rant, I just want to make a couple things clear. If you wish to reply to my rant, please respond fully with your opinion on the matter, not something simple like "I totally agree with you" or "fuck you this is stupid". Think out what you want to say and provide a good explanation to go with it. Also, don't reply with "your taking this too far, just let it go already so peace can return once more" either. I really want to express my opinions on the matter. Now then, let's start, shall we? Earlier today (5/29/08) we started to have awkward hour, the time of day when things in the C-box get a little interesting, so to speak. At one point, some of the guys and Anya did a little scenario where Anya got drugged after consuming candy and did stuff to her. Now, by stuff, I mean things like take a couple photos, shave her eyebrows off, place her hand in water, and a whole bunch of other random things. There was some awkward things as well, but it was hardly going into the 18+/Sexual Abuse area. Some people might have thought it was wrong, while others didn't think much of it (I didn't think much of it either, but that's just me), though I'll say right now that Anya never put her foot down and said "Guys, this is too much, stop doing this right now" or anything of the like, meaning she was playing along. Things were peachy for a while until Taiki arrived on the scene. Of course, since Taiki and Anya are in a relationship, you'd know that Taiki would be concerned about this...but he wasn't just concerned, he went fucking crazy. Now, I understand that he cares about his girlfriend and doesn't want other men cyber-touching her (which technically, I don't remember anything of the sort minus a minor thing or two), but it was obvious that he was over-reacting to the situation. I'll go down the list of problems I have with his little rant in numerical order. I've even got the C-box open in another window so I can refer to it while I'm typing all of this down, so don't think I've got my facts wrong on this. 1. Unnecessary Swearing: We know what anger can do to a guy, right? It can make him do crazy things like cursing out and such. However, he is an admin and the leader of this board, so I expected more from him. He should have addressed the matter in a civilized fashion, not throwing the F bomb around in most of his sentences. Why, he even nuked Joey and a lot of people related to him with the word when it was clearly unnecessary. Most members look up to him as a leader, so it was rather disappointing to see him act in such a childish manner. 2. Power Abuse: Early in Taiki's rant, he clearly stated that he would suspend people if they ever messed with Anya again. He also said things such as "I take this stuff seriously if it involves her" and "I don't give a flying fuck if you guys do it with some random girl, but NOT her". Now, let's think about this for a moment. According to what Taiki has said, it basically means that he wouldn't do a fucking thing if me or any other female member on this board went through the same treatment or worse, but would most likely suspend anybody who is involved if it happens to Anya, his girlfriend. That's a bit harsh, ain't it? This wouldn't be an issue if he told the guys that he would suspend them if he did this to Anya OR any other girl, but he didn't. Also, he's basically saying "Mess with my girl again, and your outta here. No excuses" Now, while I appreciate that he's giving a warning first, it's still bogus. He didn't give the people involved a chance to even properly explain themselves. Instead, he told them, and I quote, "I don't FUCKING care." The proper way to handle the situation would have been to let the guys explain themselves, and THEN start talking to them about what is wrong with it and such while considering what information has been provided...which by the way, he mainly got Anya's side of the story (he did mention that Anya had talked to him about it in the C-box at the very beginning of the rant). In short, I believe this is possibly power abuse; Taking one side of the story, running with it, and completely flipping out on the other members without regard to the rules. 3. Over-Reacting: If you've seen Taiki's rant in the C-box and read #1 in this rant, you can plainly see that he is over-reacting. First, he took swearing to the extreme, which is quite rude and disrespectful. More importantly, it is the wrong way to handle the situation, in fact, it could quite possibly make things worse. Secondly, as I have stated earlier in this rant, Anya was playing along with the scenario. If she was uncomfortable with the situation at all, she should have come out and said "stop". However, she never did anything of the sort. If anything, I believe she may have went directly to Taiki once he came online and told him what was going on (if my guess is wrong, then I am truly sorry for making the assumption), which is the wrong thing to do in a situation like this. Let me just go ahead and state this for future reference if a situation like this ever comes up again: IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, DEAL WITH IT AT THE SOURCE. I strongly advice that you do NOT immediately run to an admin whenever things go wrong. In this case, telling the guys to immediately stop their actions would have been the right thing to do if she was uncomfortable. If the guys didn't stop, then it would have been alright to go to an admin. However, in this case, she didn't say "stop". I am not sure at this point in time that Taiki has had a discussion with Anya on the matter, but let's get one thing straight; Do not over-react during any situation, whether it involves a loved one or not. Handle the situation calmly and politely. This basically sums up my problems with the event that had occurred in the C-box as of late. May I remind others that these are only my opinions on the matter. I am in no position to change anything at all. You may agree with me on the matter, or you may not. Just please keep in mind to reply intelligently if you wish to reply at all. Thank you for reading this rant...seriously, I think this is my first big rant, and it took forever to type. - Maria Viola |
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| Nyo | May 30 2008, 12:16 AM Post #2 |
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As strong as the guys
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First off I would like to commend you on actually sitting down and typing all of that out, putting both thought and fact into it; I know what I pain in the neck it can be and how tired you feel after it. Second I would also like to agree with you in what you've said. Now I wasn't actually here to see this happen, however I was able to go back far enough in the C-Box history to see the last bits of it. You're right, there was no good reason for Ryan to flip out the way he did by swearing up a storm (Granted, like I said, I wasn't there for it, but I have talked to someone who was who can vouch for it happening.) Swearing does nothing to help you in an argument and is only used when you're run out of intelligent things to say. I honestly think that it makes you look stupid when you use them in a heated argument. Secondly, I agree that it's unfair for him to stick up only for his girlfriend and none of the other female members of this forum, no matter how few of us there are. A female member is a female member, and we all have to deal with the same problems when it comes to harassment; although I don't feel in anyway that this was a form of harassment since, as you've said, Amanda went along with it. The problem I see in this is that Ryan didn't take the time to think of the other female members. It hurts to think that he doesn't value us in anyway. One can even think of it this way. If what happened was truly real and he saw in happening in front of him I can understand him freaking out to such an extreme, however, if he can honestly say that he wouldn't do anything if he saw some other girl going through the same thing then Ryan isn't the person I thought him to be. Lastly is his lack of hearing both sides of the story. Yes it is logical that the first person you're going to listen to is the one closest to you, however I find it wrong that as both the leader and creater of this forum he didn't listen to the other side of the story. After all, isn't that what a good leader should do? Also, as a side note. I do feel however that things in the C-Box have been getting out of hand recently. I know I played a small part in making Kira feel uncomfortable a while ago, and to be perfectly honest I felt bad about it when I thought about it. It seems to me that in a way people are taking advantage of how lax the C-Box really is. |
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| Maria Viola | May 30 2008, 12:28 AM Post #3 |
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Nyo, you deserve a cookie, because your response is a fine example of the kind of responses I hope to get. *Gives a cookie* Now, onto business.
Yes, I agree, the things in the C-box have somewhat gone out of hand. Awkward Hour may be a nice little way to make things less interesting if barely anything has happened at all, but you can only go so far until a person thinks "Wait a minute, this is too much. We should tone it down a bit." It's all in good fun, really, but I've seen how crazy things can get during Awkward Hour and such. Hopefully after seeing Taiki's explosion things will at least be toned down in the C-box from now on, and apologies to all members who were truly disturbed may possibly be in order if it really bothers people that much. |
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| Nyo | May 30 2008, 12:49 AM Post #4 |
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Yay *eats her cookie* Yes, I agree that we should only take it as far as the person who's feeling awkward will let it continue; once again the time with Kira is a good example. I also remember Ryan creating a topic talking about having restrictions put on the C-Box. I think now might be a good time to give those restrictions some thought. |
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| Fayt | May 30 2008, 12:57 AM Post #5 |
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I Agree. As one of the men associated with the incident I read pretty much everything that went on. WHAT HAPPENED? To emphasise what Maria has just said, I will re-iterate by saying that Amanda, not a single time, told us to stop or anything close. Most of her answers to this was: (ZOMG), (WTF?), O.O, o.o;, and the list goes on.. All that happened the entire time during the incident was basically a spiked piece of candy, then zoden and I went on and on by shaving off her eyebrows, hand in water, other stupid pranks. RYAN'S REACTION This is the conversation from the very beginning when Ryan came on. I did however take out some unrelated parts like "I didnt do anything" or "Hides" or anything involving a fallout shelter. Vampire Kiba: RYAN! Vampire Kiba: Amanda got violated =o Taiki: Amanda told me you guys had a "rape fest" and did it to her, and she told me you guys touched her and took off her clothes Dead King Joseph Jones: Rofl Taiki: Yeah. I want you guys to lay off of her, got it? Taiki: You guys fuck with her again, and I'll suspend all of you Taiki: Got it? I don't care if it was all "For fun" Kira Jones: I had nothing to do with it. Dead King Joseph Jones: Wait, What? Taiki: Lay the fuck off, and we'll be cool Dead King Joseph Jones: We "screwed" her? Taiki: DON'T Involve her in any of your things Vampire Kiba: they also shaved her eyebrows =o Taiki: You do anything inappropriate to her, and I will take action. I take this stuff seriously when it involves her Taiki: I don't give a flying fuck if you guys do it to some random girl, but NOT her Taiki: Got it? Maria: ): Taiki: Don't even try complaining or bitching Taiki: Don't fucking ask Dead King Joseph Jones: Why not? Taiki: Just fucking listen Maria: I havnt done anything either....though now I feel sort of insulted >< Dead King Joseph Jones: Keh, Why? I asked sir. No one "fucked" Amanda. At least not to my knowladge. Dead King Joseph Jones: Secondly, It was typical awakard hour crap. She played along as well. Taiki: Do not touch her in inappropriate places, do not take her clothing, either Taiki: I don't FUCKING care Taiki: I will fuck over awkward hour if it happens again Taiki: Do I make myself fucking clear? Fayt: yeah sure dude. but stop dropping the F bomb all the time Dead King Joseph Jones: Yes, You and your fucks makes itself rather clear. Taiki: Good. Fayt: But dude. One thing... well a few things actually. Its the C-Box. anything goes really, im pretty sure youve said it yourself Taiki: Fayt, I take it a litle literally. Don't bitch about that or say it's stupid. It's how my mind works. Deal with it Taiki: And I have always made sure no one did anything to Amanda Fayt: Sure Ill deal with it. And im fine with however your mind works. But listen man. its a dang C-Box. it didnt happen in ''reality'' Taiki: I don't care Dead King Joseph Jones: Yeah, Ryan You care. Thats why your here now. Taiki: I don't care if it wouldn't happen in "reality" Fayt: cool with me. I just dont want this to what happened last year because of you and her Taiki: I'm not mad at just you. I'm mad at Zoden and Joey, too Fayt: yeah oh well. Taiki: Y'know what, Joey? Fuck you. Fuck your family. Fuck the father and mother you never had. Fuck your fucking ancestors, and fuck your fucking future girlfriends and wives Dead King Joseph Jones: Yeah, Fuck you too Ryan. Taiki: I don't want it happening anymore! Fayt: Hey one last thing and im done. Dead King Joseph Jones: Then fine, It won't happen anymore. Fayt: She never told us to stop. She played along with it Dead King Joseph Jones: If Amanda will control herself instead of playing along. Kira Jones: Despite your arguments, Taiki's right. Dead King Joseph Jones: She shares part of this blame also. Kira Jones: Online or not, that's really innapropriate to do to a guys GF. Taiki: I know. i'm gonna talk with her, too Taiki: Just don't initiate it Dead King Joseph Jones: Good, Thank you Ryan. [/b]Maria[/b]: apparently he only cares about his GF when it comes to the matter though... Zoden: And to just cuss people out, sets some example, since he's our leader. Maria: he's over-reacting, we can stop it if he wants, but its still not right for him to come at us like this Zoden: If anything, I'd be more okay with this if he wasn't playing favorites with his GF... Taiki: Why wouldn't I play favorites with the girl I love, Zoden? Zoden: I understand that, but still. Maria: its fine that you love Anya, but still... Zoden: You've basically said you don't care what happens to anyone but her. Zoden: As a leader, you should be more about enforsing the rules to protect everyone, and not just your own GF. Maria: its like you wouldn't give a sh** if me or any other girl went through what anya did earlier >_< Zoden: You pretty much said a girl could get cyber raped on here, and as long as it wasn't your GF, you'd just laugh yourself to death. Taiki: Think what you guys want. I know why I'm acting like this Zoden: No matter how I think things should go down, I don't own this forum. Zoden: So I'm stuck with it. Might as well just live with it. Maria: we're just stating our opinions here, we're in no position to change anything E cetera E cetera... I want to state all belief on Cybering and C-Boxing... Cybering is generally having sex with another person via text in a chatroom such as the C-Box. There were no points at all that any sexual contact ever occured. (The worse thing that ever happened was someone poking her in the chest. I mean c-mon! even in real life women would just glare at you and say stop. It didnt happen) The C-Box is open to everybody, and open for everything. That means anyone can do what they want. Sure there is a thing called common courtesy, and chivalry. But it isnt a neccisary in the C-Box. Another wonderful point would be a week ago when Zoden and Maria were first getting together when bizarreness occured and we were being 'evil' and giving maria a spa treatment (we are bastards arent we?) there was extreme nakendess involved, along with Amanda, and Ryan even joined in, being perverted along with us and enjoying all the fun. Now when this happens and its just happening to Amanda he gets all pissy about things and starts threatening our membership. Now when a leader of a forum threatens your membership because of somthing like this. and especially acts the way he does. It would usually give you the assumption that he doesnt think very highly of us. Basically to him we arent anything compared to his girlfriend. Were just here to amuse him. (Listen Ryan, We like it here on EH, we love what we do. But when you act like that. peoples opinions of you change and the question comes up... "Do I really want to stay here at the risk of having to deal with this?") |
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| L Lawliet | May 30 2008, 06:14 AM Post #6 |
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Apparently more annoying than Foxby. o.o
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Ok. You made a really well thought out rant, and I agree with all of it-he did overreact. After thinking about it, yeah, that went a little out of hand with the swearing, and he did only get Anya's side. Sorry it isn't more well thought out, but I only had time to see Taiki flip out, and by the time I got back on, the incident itself was wiped from the c-box's memory because of the other posts. And don't worry yourself, Nyo-you had nothing to do with my state of uncomfyness. ^^ |
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| Thanatos | May 30 2008, 09:08 AM Post #7 |
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I'd like to point out that myself and DJ both said it was irritating at one point, but you gugys didn't listen. > > anyway, I do agree that Ryan over reacted, I think he honestly should've said that to Amanda as well, if he was going to make a big deal out of it, regardless of whether or not she's his girlfriend. She's as much as fault as anyone else for not saying 'Stop, I don't like this' or anything of the sort, but Ryan only cracked down on us. That'd be like the president's wife selling national secrets to terrorists, and the president only yelling at the terrorists! it makes not sense! D: |
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| Kappy | Jun 13 2016, 05:14 PM Post #8 |
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LOL!
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Normally I wouldn't even dream about posting here (and I doubt any of you will ever come back on to read this, but you never know), but JFC I hope I apologized to you guys properly for this. I can't believe I'd ever be so callous, even as a teenager, but I guess I was wrong. I usually go through this place once in a blue moon, but I hadn't been through the rants section yet. Today I did, and after reading this I couldn't let go of it, so I felt like I had to post a response as some sort of catharsis. Judging by how we interacted as the years went by, I'm thinking I did apologize and you guys forgave me, but this seems like a pretty ridiculous over-reaction, so I'd like to offer a second apology. This was really bad, and I'm sorry
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| HAL-9000 | Feb 6 2017, 07:19 AM Post #9 |
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I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Always Ryan, you were and still are a great friend and person. I hope your life is now filled with happiness and meaning. I was the same way when I was a teenager, arrogant, indifferent and worshiped myself as if I was some sort of somebody, a king. I have realized my folly. You are a kind and welcoming person, may you carry that with you wherever you go in this life. |
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