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| "Enlightenment"?; Let's pause for a second, m'kay? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 22 2008, 05:02 PM (698 Views) | |
| Maria Viola | Nov 22 2008, 05:02 PM Post #1 |
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Obviously EH hasn't been very active lately, and obviously people are getting sick of it. Personally, I don't like how EH hasn't been active either. It's been quite dull around here lately. I had a feeling that sometime, someday, maybe everybody can start taking small steps towards getting EH active again. Instead I see a lot of people trying to take big leaps. Are you people serious? Rather than starting to make fun little topics that could spark some interest and get a good conversation about it started, or creating an RP that would hopefully get some people interested, you all want to create a council that'll replace Ryan and make a bunch of changes? Don't get me wrong, I know that nothing has really been done yet. I havn't really done anything to bring some life to the place either. However, I feel like you guys are kind of rushing into this a bit and doing something that completely isn't necessary. For example, how many people here visit the forum pretty often? I visit the forum practically every day, and some of you people who want to be a part of this "Enlightenment" are barely here that often. I rarely even see some of you. Heck, some of you I barely even know at all. Personally, if I actually had to pick four people, I'd pick people who were actually active people that I knew better and knew whether they would be a good council member or not based off of what I have learned about them. Why? Because they'd actually BE here whenever something happens! They'd actually be able to witness, for example, a fight and not be effected by what a person tells them based off of what happened if they wern't here to see it themselves. More importantly, why do you people want to take charge? I understand that you all want to make some changes, but that shouldn't have to involve an attempt to take control of things and ignore whatever Ryan may think whenever he finds out about this stuff. Sure, Ryan is rarely here, probably the one person that least visits the forum, but it's still HIS FORUM. It's almost like you guys would be okay with committing a robbery. Rather than just jumping into this, maybe you guys should at the very least try contacting Ryan in some way before trying to take over! If he says this is okay, and if he agrees with it, then hey, knock yourselves out. Now, I'm going to say that I'm not against making a few changes. Just not something like this so-called "Enlightenment". Let's all just slow down a little bit, and start with baby steps. Let's all try making fun topics, fun RPs, and then let's all try participating a bit. We can also possibly invite a friend or two to the forum if you like. If we take our time with this, and we keep doing this, then we can possibly get EH going again without rushing into things and starting this "Enlightenment". Change can take a long time people, so let's start working towards a better Emerald Hill one small step at a time. |
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| L Lawliet | Nov 22 2008, 05:37 PM Post #2 |
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Apparently more annoying than Foxby. o.o
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...I feel like an idiot now...think you're right. |
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| Silver | Nov 22 2008, 05:43 PM Post #3 |
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Same here L..... |
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| Thanatos | Nov 22 2008, 05:45 PM Post #4 |
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The darkness before the dawn
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We're planning RPs Maria, but we actually have to have time to get stories made, and I don't see you making Rps at the moment. Besides, even if we attempted to contact Ryan, what are the odds that we'd EVER get an answer? the only time he's been on recently was when L claimed the forum to be his. Also, I'm usually on the forum a lot as well, and pretty much the only ones who aren't that've talked today are Nyo and Joey, and that's because there was nothing to do. It's like saying the U.S.A. belongs to a President who never does anything. I dunno, maybe he's been thinking about changes, but I haven't seen him on EH at all for a long time except for the once I mentioned before. |
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| Maria Viola | Nov 22 2008, 05:51 PM Post #5 |
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I didn't say that EVERYBODY involved wasn't here often. I only said some. I knew you were online a lot, and some other people too, but I just think this whole Enlightenment is taking things too far too quickly. And I only said you had to TRY to contact Ryan. If you don't get an answer, then don't go changing everything. I know very well that I don't make RPs, but I'm at least going to try thinking of ideas and such. If you're planning on making RPs, then try focusing on that rather than this Enlightenment stuff! |
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| HAL-9000 | Nov 22 2008, 05:55 PM Post #6 |
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I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Great rant, However I'd like to add somethings, While I haven't been here for awhile, I planned on returning lately. I've been on more and more and it's rather slow here. I agree while change takes awhile to commit too but the problem is there is barely no change here anymore. Some people just feel like we need to do something big to contribute and bring back thos old ship from the deep. We aren't stealing the forum from Ryan nor are we replacing him, This is just a idea from all of us as a way to get Emerald Hill back in montion once and for all. I don't assume he'd agree with me but i'm sure he'd want us to have fun. Besides, if we want to truely change things then we need his support to allow us, Were posting how we feel and about it and what we want done, This movement is. While I claim not to be stealing from him, If he feels different then he can say so and we can forget about this movement however, Kagai had a point, People wants change so were trying to change this place and i'd apoligize if he is upset. This "Enlightenment" is working also, Emerald Hill is active and people are excited about whats going on. I think this is the most active this place has been in quite awhile. While slow change is good, Quick change can be better. Look at the American Reavlution, What came out of that? The United States of America. Quick and large change can be effective if we do it properly. I think this "Enlighenment" period is great, I can see the results already and I belive we can make Emerald Hill a better place. |
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| Maria Viola | Nov 22 2008, 06:13 PM Post #7 |
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I appreciate how you want to become active make changes to make EH better, and yes, sometimes big changes are good, but is a change in power really necessary for good change to occur? If we want to gain activity and motion in the forums, you have to make topics and RPs and then participate in those things. Don't change the forum, change what happens in the forum. Also, on a side note:
This is a somewhat biased statement. Not everyone is excited about what's going on. I certainly am not excited about the "Enlightenment". Otherwise I wouldn't have made this rant in the first place! Quick and large change can be effective and great, as shown in the American Revolution, but in this case, it is clearly not necessary in my opinion. It did have one result in my opinion: The fact that it made me want to help some people see what we really need and quite possibly should do to get EH running again. |
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| Fayt | Nov 22 2008, 06:22 PM Post #8 |
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Yo Maria, you have a good point. It isnt really our place to usurp him title or kick him our or anything. Heck by Invisionfree standards I dont think you can actually replace the leader or Forum owner. If yall want to get this place revived thats cool, and I want to be involved in it too especially with the Council thing. But something just occoured to me... Nobody has Admin Privilages aside from Ryan and Amanda right? so pretty much since Ryan isnt here anymore, hes not changing a damn thing. Same goes fro Amanda, shes not happy about this whole thing so shes out as well. Yall have a good idea here, but its probably not goona work. Im goona give my forum another shot. http://z6.invisionfree.com/Forgotten_Moonlight |
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| HAL-9000 | Nov 22 2008, 06:24 PM Post #9 |
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I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Perhaps it's biased, Perhaps it's not. This place is filled with people now and I think it honestly has a lot of do with the Enlightenment thing we have going. I think this change is more of a start. Look at the U.S, With Obama finally getting in, People are looking up and doing something. Sometimes people might want something big and explosive to happen to want to get up and do something. This could be this explosive thing. We all agree we want EH to be running again. Yeah, I have no power to say that, I am a mere mod, But I think if we can get EH back on the road, get people excited to come back and post and reply and just make new changes, People will enjoy themselves. After all, most people likes new things do they not? |
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| L Lawliet | Nov 22 2008, 06:29 PM Post #10 |
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Apparently more annoying than Foxby. o.o
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Sometimes new things are bad. |
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| Maria Viola | Nov 22 2008, 06:38 PM Post #11 |
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True, some people like new things, but other times people might regret wanting to have new things and feel disappointed. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good. For example, sometimes you might look forward to seeing the sequel of an epic movie, but in the end you might feel disappointed. It's also true that there's a lot of people online now, which was in part caused by hype of an Enlightenment. It also is somewhat of a start, but I would rather see things go in a different direction rather than going on ahead with the Enlightenment idea. It is the start of change, but I wouldn't want it to be the path of change we take. Excitement has been accomplished, but you can also get people excited with the right topics to talk about and RP about. Big and explosive doesn't always equal better, and honestly, EH doesn't completely need something big and explosive to change things. We should only need something big and explosive to let people know that we should make changes. |
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| HAL-9000 | Nov 22 2008, 06:49 PM Post #12 |
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True, While new and exciting may be a disapointment in the end doesn't mean it won't. By talking to some people, They seem pretty excited about it, While some people may be rather turned off by it all together. I think we should see what we can come up with first before we make judgements, We don't really know what we may be turning away now do we. Big and explosive isn't always better but people knows we as a group wants to change Emerald Hill for the better. We want to change this and this is a way of showing it, Exciting people over this is working. Emerald Hill has been active today. RP wise as well. I have to say one thing, If somebody wanted to change things with RPGs and such then somebody could have started it. I feel this is a way to come in and change for the better. If nobody will change it then someone has too. Even if someone disagrees with that person. By the way, This is a fun debate
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| 李丽丽 | Nov 22 2008, 06:53 PM Post #13 |
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我想奶油喷!
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I don't know if this is right, seeing as my English is iffy, but wouldn't a rebirth of a forum be called a "Renaissance"and not an Enlightenment?:S (sorry my font messes up in English sometimes.. I'm on a Chinese keyboard..) I can't really say much.. :S I was not here before whatever tragedy happened. |
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| Maria Viola | Nov 22 2008, 07:33 PM Post #14 |
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I suppose debates can be fun sometimes XD; Though, still, I don't see how creating a council will be truly beneficial in a way where it's the way we have to use to make good change. It's true how we don't know what we're turning away if we turn away this plan, but at the same time, you wouldn't know what you're turning away if you use the Enlightenment plan rather than something else, now do you? EH has been active today, but it's not active to the point where it's really active enough to say "Wow! EH is so active!" It's just regular activity that has happened every once in a while. Though, I just kind of feel like we don't officially have to say, "Alright! You, you, you, and you are councilors of Emerald Hill! Now let us go make changes for the better and bring the forum back to life!" I feel like you can make change without having to go through a process of creating a council. Though, as far as getting EH back from the completely dead state, perhaps the Enlightenment idea was good, and I thank you for creating the idea. Though, I'm not convinced that it is really needed yet. |
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| Foxby | Nov 23 2008, 12:41 AM Post #15 |
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Lilililililililili, you're completely right. Although renaissance isn't a perfect word, it's close enough. Enlightenment just means becoming aware of something... which isn't really what this is about. Regardless, a forum can exist without moderators, but many people like to bring it up as if it's absolutely necessary for any activity to take place. Also, Maria's got a point. xP *was not part of da 'revolution'*. |
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