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Topic Started: Mar 26 2009, 10:12 PM (963 Views)
Maria Viola
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Okay okay, I know this stuff is just now getting started, and I know I havn't really given it a chance yet, but please, PLEASE someone tell me this "World of EH" stuff is going to go away very soon. It might sound fun, but do we REALLY have to dedicate a whole subsection to this idea? Heck, people could just take their empire ideas or whatever and head on over to the Military RP section! Then everybody could RP as citizens or anything else they wanted there. Honestly, it sounds more logical than to just randomly go making "The World of EH" and randomly making people mods over their own little empires and only that (it still ticks me off a little though....like how Silver hasn't even been here for a whole year and yet he manages to randomly obtain a form of mod power).

The point is, even though this may seem 'fun' to some of you guys, I feel like it isn't necessary at all.
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I personally don't think it's that big of a deal. I mean, I have to agree about how it could perhaps be put into the Military Board as well but then again, having its own subsection helps keep it a lot more organized and prevents things from getting all scrambled. Also, it's not like the Mod powers give us control over the entire forum, just our country's board.

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It's still kind of a 'grrrngh' for those of us who have been wishing for a scrap of power since we joined years ago. It almost seems like it'd be better on another board, anyway.
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Maria Viola
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How could it be more organized? The Military RP section is barely used anyway, and it's not like all the empires would be titled the same thing if it were an RP. Besides, you guys could just keep everything on the first post (rules, descriptions, etc.), since there really shouldn't be so much that it would have to be organized in the whole subsection way. Really, I mean....how many topics about your country/empire/etc. are you going to have in your country? It can't be that many, right? Possibly an amount that could be stored in a single post maybe.

And I already stated that I knew the mod powers only applied to their own country, but it STILL ticks me off since its still technically mod powers that're being randomly handed out to some people.
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A board allows the subjects to be divided up a bit more evenly, without being cluttered, not to mention we can pin the more important ones and the likes. It's very minor, I know, but it does help.

And about the mod status, I really don't see what the fuss about this is either. Would you rather have us bug Li every time we want a post pinned or deleted? The mod powers are both small-scale, not to mention removes a lot of hassle out of things. And really, so what if Silver has been here for a year...quality over quantity, right?

And really, I'm not entirely sure why there's such a fuss about it. If you don't like it, just ignore it.

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And just because you find it unnecessary, Maria, does not mean it should be removed or go away very soon. If more than..say, five or six people find this an utterly ridiculous idea, then I will probably have it moved to the military board. Otherwise, it looks cool, and it's not going to kill anyone's eyes by scrolling down a couple more inches.

As for the moderator status: I am still the owner of this entire board, and while people may have the moderation power of their own 'empire', I still police them as well. XD That being said, if I ever see any form of abuse (abuse being deleting posts without reason, editing posts without reason, etc...) come from having said power I will remove it from them - simple as that!

Otherwise, the moderation does help to smooth out the rough edges. As Volt stated, asking myself (I can't keep Li an admin since EH already has one other admin) to do all the pinning, deleting, and re-organizing would be a pain. It just lets them do that, really. It's not really a 'position of power' in the entirety of the forum that is EH XD It's more of an RP element.

And really, really, do positions of power really mean anything on EH anymore? Honestly, people back-talk me, the owner, the one who can do anything to anyone on this forum with a few simple clicks.

But do you see me abusing my power? I only really use it when people want a group or name changed XD I enjoy arguments, and I hate forums where power actually means something. Sure, we have two administrators. Sure, we have two moderators, but they never actually 'moderate'. They're just there so that we have them. XD

To be honest, this forum doesn't need an admin or moderators. I could very easily moderate this forum by myself. But, they do help when I'm not there and I want someone to watch EH for me, so the admin and moderator positions are still implemented, although I think the power they have - and the power I have - is pretty much next to nothing if you really look at how we act around each other.

And so, the entire issue of moderator positions being given out to random people shouldn't be a big deal.

Now, you say move it to the military board to solve all this, but really, keeping everything (provided this RP really kicks off) organized in one post is rather hard. If you really think it's easy, try doing this (you are the starter of this imaginary world RP and therefore you must update it since the first post is yours):

Let's say there are five countries.

- Update every country's daily news (constantly)
- Update attacks/truces/wars
- Update events that shake the country (Rebellions, threats, sudden attacks)
- Update leaders if they change (Elections)
- Update citizens of interest (Maybe an heir)
- Update scientific discoveries of every country (as they happen)
- Update economics of every country (as it changes)

I don't know about you, but that's four people asking you to do all that (and probably more) for their country, and you still have yours to update. Frankly, everyone having their own little board is easier.

And to add on to that, if everyone's RP'ing in the same thread it'd seem as if all the characters are RP'ing with themselves over 75% of the time unless some people joined as citizens, where two or three people may RP with each other 75% of the time and everyone else on their own with NPC's.

Now, we could make a separate thread for every country, but those would die very quickly for the reason I just listed above - everyone would be RP'ing with themselves. And yes, you could make multiple characters, but personally, I think it's easier to do that with boards than with all those RP threads.

And as Volt said, if it really bugs you that much, ignore it. If more people besides you are really this bugged about it, I'll move it. But for one person? That's unfair to all the others who want it.

I rest my case. XD
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Anya Nippon
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I have To say, You All may Love the Idea, But I have to Agree with Maria on This one ._.;

One, This Came out of Nowhere,
Two, I hate Sudden Change, I like to Have A heads up on Things

Three, Li did More then Just add those Three boards

Four, It Just seem's like a really Bad idea That COULD Get out of hand. Also, Ive been quiet about this for a while, But now I have to say somthing.

Im Kinda tired of Lin and Mary Forcing China on us, As well as their sudden Ideas. Honestly Ryan, Have you Ever given me Temporary powers to suddenly Change shit around? Ive never asked to, But Apparently, From what you said, All Lin asked was "Can i have Admin powers real fast?" If I asked for that itd be "Hell no Woman, Go back to Your plow and Keep Pullin'!" And im Your Friggin Girlfriend ._.;

I Just cant Take it Anymore >< Im sorry, But if this shit keeps up, Im Leaving EH

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I like how people makes a big deal on things that honestly doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that this place is divided. First of all, Amanda grow the hell up. Power is nothing because Ryan runs this place fine. He doesn't abuse his powers nor does he make any decision without our approvel. Ryan saw that the majority agreed with Lins great idea and he let her impliment it. Did she go too far? Obivously so but could Ryan honestly suspect Lin would do that? Plus, Stop being a prejudice please. And don't threaten to leave EH when you really won't, Grown-ups solve their problems by calmly talking them out. Not throwing a tandrum by threating to leave and never come back.

Now for this empire bit. How about we just make a forum decidcated to this World EH thing and link it from this fourm to that forum via sub forum. This works since people won't be getting power if thats the problem with it all and Lin can just give out Mod powers there.

Thats my bit of advice.
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I'd at least settle for Joey's idea about this. If people want to have a World EH-type thing going on, take it to another forum that can be linked from this forum. Then at least I could ignore it better. Though, really, would it be easy to ignore something that is possibly going to be big and would probably lead to people constantly revolving around it? I'm trying to compromise right now so you all can have your fun before this whole thing dies out.

Volt: Quality over quantity? Oh come now Volt, would Silver really be a quality mod? A person who goes around claiming he wants to rule the world even though he isn't really being that serious? I'd rather have somebody more like Ryan or anyone else who suits the job--Calm and easy-going, and a person who wouldn't really get all super hyper and crazy at times. But really, my 'fussing' isn't really mainly about whether Silver is a good or bad mod, whether the power is small or large, or whether the power will be abused. It's just the simple fact that people now randomly have mod power. I know it's not a big deal since power is somewhat worthless here, but to me it's not completely worthless, more like an honor really, and I'm allowed to to not like it, right?

Ryan: I'm not saying every single update should be in one post. I'm saying only the basics should be in the first post, and all the countries could've had their own little RP in the military thread, not just one RP with all the countries together. Besides, I really don't think people are going to be so serious about this that they're going to commit to doing all that stuff you listed. But, I'm not going to push the matter anymore.

Anya: I agree with one and two at least. Three, I'm not sure if I've noticed anything else yet, and as for four, well, I think there's only a slight possibility since Ryan does have the true power and would totally stop anything that got out of hand. Still, the fact that it could happen is bad, just like how I think the simple fact that people do have mod powers randomly is bad. About the China forcing....well, I dont think it's THAT bad. Maybe there's just a wee bit of it, enough that it isn't really a big deal, but it's slightly there if you think about it. Only slightly.

Anyway, like I said, I like Joey's idea better. I've never technically said that the idea should just be completely destroyed really, I just wouldn't like it to be here. If it's on another forum specially made for the idea, I'd be happy. Though really, the happiness of one person specifically isn't good when the majority prefers the opposite of what you want huh? Ah well.
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What the piss happened..?

Okay, I've kinda been holding back on this out of tact, but this is getting kinda absurd. I'm getting pretty sick of China. Call me racist, but here's a fact: My best freind is half Chinese, and his father was born there. We never discuss China, unless I ask him something about it or his father.

I understand being proud of your country. Fine, it's normal, and you should be. But two things piss me off: Having that pride shoved in my face, and staring at a language I don't understand. I'm sick of seeing posts in Chinese. This is an English-based board. It reminds me of high school, when all the hispanic kids rambled on in Spanish giving me a damn migraine.

On top of that, I don't think mod/admin power should just be given to someone. Nor to I believe such forums are necessary on EH. This is a forum based on topics like Sonic and Roleplaying, with anime/manga added in. Did I ask for an Aberration section? No. It would be rude and awkward.

So, I'm in agreement with Maria and Anya on this one.
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Well, if someone had an idea I'd give them power temporarily. I'm too lazy to actually do it myself XD And she actually didn't ask me for admin powers temporarily - I thought the idea was cool and said, "I'll give you admin powers so you can put it up, and then I'm taking it off."

And Joey's idea is definitely best. It'll be moved to an entirely different forum instead of put here, seeing as a lot of you want it out. There'll just be a link to it (if Li decides to actually put it on a different forum) XD

Oh, and Maria, I know no one here would actually commit, but I'm sure there are those really dedicated forum-wide RP'ers that would XD

Amanda, Li did nine things as an administrator - I have the list right in front of me XD She made a category, made four boards, and made the leader of said country a forum mod. That's it XD If you're talking about all the boards being switched up, that was my fault XD I was trying to make it look a little less random (with the WoEH being under the archives, it didn't look right t'me) and moved things around.

However, I didn't make sure everything else was in order, and thus, the forum switch-ups XD They've been fixed!

As for the whole 'forced China' issue - let's be real, people from other countries force their ideals on people from other countries. Sadly, that's how the world works because everyone wants to have the dominant culture - at least, that's how I see it.

So, it's not a big deal at all. If I ever see a war between someone American here and either Lin or Mary about countries and there are racist remarks on one or both sides (and they actually mean what they're saying), then there's a problem.

Personally, I find the Chinese culture fascinating - not their economics and politics, but their lifestyles. Their myths, rituals, and legends all fascinate me, as does the Chinese Zodiac.
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Okay, so after plowing through all of that, I don't really have much to say. =P

1. I could put the idea on a sister forum if people are still interested (show of hands?), that'd be fine.

2. I think you guys are taking the whole idea way too seriously. =P It was a fun little idea that kind of spurred from Mary's Hetalia thread (which I finally finished reading lately) and I figured it'd be entertaining for people to join little made up places and sport their own made up culture around the forum. At least, to me, that is interesting and fun.

3. About the Chinese imperialism issue - don't mean to be a bitch, but the Americans have been suppressing us and using us for their own selfish needs for years and as a traditional Chinese person, I'm sick of it myself. So sorry if I'm proud to be from a country who hasn't fallen to your materialized crap just yet. =\ Also, InvisionFree does not have language restrictions on its Terms of Service, so there is legally nothing wrong with Mary and I conversing in our own language. And most of the time we even translate what we're saying for you guys! The only times we haven't is during that one RP that ended up never taking off, in our signatures sometimes, and just recently in that 'Blue China' topic. When, really, do you guys care if we talk about it in our own language? You've already made it blatantly clear in this topic you don't want to hear about it, so I don't see the problem in keeping it to ourselves.

4. Being nationalistic is part of being from our country: because of all the invasions and crap that China has had to deal with the last few centuries, pride is really all we have - our economy is the only thing still truly alive. Our people are at war with each other within our own country, and we still have to deal with large amounts of globalization coming from the West and East alike, plus every other nation around us wants us to be like them! Our language is in danger of dying out, even!
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And to further the point; as much as I like to take both sides of the argument I'll have to make an acception--the whole thing about 'forcing Chinese tradition and culture on us' here is pretty much, no offense intended, a load of bullshit.

I can respect others opinions and traditions, but still. they're members of EH, and that alone should mean that bringing china's traditions here or 'forcing' as Amanda so bluntly put it doesn't matter. I for one am curious about them as I have never been there, nor have I known anyone from a different country -via the internet- aside from the US, Canada, or the UK for that matter.

and as Ryan mentioned, I say the system stays unless more disagree about it so it's a fair playing field for everyone. simple as that.
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I think it would be safer to move it to another forum if anything, Red, but thanks for the support. It's already been met with too much opposition and I can see why, so that's perfectly fine. =P I would have no problem moving it to another board if people are still interested.
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I would still be interested, heres to hoping the others will as well.
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