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Joshua
Topic Started: Nov 20 2010, 07:36 PM (1,416 Views)
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Based on discussion with Hadisthe both today and past, discussion with Joshua, and my own examination of the Axiom Guild forums, I find Joshua's seceding of the Axiom Guild from Equinox as an attempt to undermine the guild culture in Equinox, an attempt for him to satisfy his own lust for power and ego, and a reckless abuse of his powers as guild head. He claims to have had majority support; however, I can find no evidence anywhere that he had majority support of any kind beyond "discussion" with Jahka and Whigdom. He did not consult the rest of the region nor the founder, and I find it extremely disrespectful to take our region's longest standing, and arguably founding, guild and secede it from Equinox on what appears to be a whim's notice with minimal support.

That being said, there is no way for Joshua to be tried in court, as his actions were legal. However, I am going to strip Joshua of his title as "Lord of the Dance" and eject him from the Equinox Hall of Fame for his actions, which were tyrannic, egotistic, and deconstructive towards Equinox.

Falconias

PS... My face will be around here more often in the next few months.
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tommattox
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0.o Can you still do that Falc? :S
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There are no laws governing the HoF and I am insulted in which the manner that Axiom was removed from Equinox. This is a guild that I technically founded myself, on a side note.
Edited by Falconias, Nov 20 2010, 07:42 PM.
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Hadisthe
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Nope. Not happening. The Senate will be calling everyone who has anything to do with this to testify before it. Until then, no action is taking place. Admins, restore Joshua's title and HoF status.

This is Equinox, not the Soviet Union. We'll do this in a civilized manner.
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Joshua
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You have gone to far Falc, and this is rubbish. The discussion was not public Falc. I had spoken to Wop, Whig, George, Jahka, Diamete, PhDre and anyone else that was active at the time.

The region and founder did not need to be included in this conversation. It was a Guild matter and was discussed privately with the Guild. You have no authority to remove my masking or HOF status.

My actions were not out of ego or anything else that you have stated. I came in thinking I could bring Axiom back, and I tried, but I had little help beyond Tadin. I had founded the Crusaders region back during the summer to keep it out the hands of the raiders. We had done some regional development and there seemed like a lot of excitement behind the creation of an actual region. I felt my decisions were the best course if we were to preserve the remnants of Axiom and the Crusaders.

I am disgusted at you Falc. You have been absent from Equinox for so long, then you barge in here and pull this stint.
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Right, and what's happened to Equinox recently? I thought me stepping down as King was a good thing, and it was for a brief time. Now Equinox is an afterthought of NS. Two of our most important guilds have left, Axiom and Jethnea. Jethnea was fair in its seceding, Axiom was not. I didn't found this region to watch it go down the shitters.
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Falconias
Nov 20 2010, 07:41 PM
There are no laws governing the HoF and I am insulted in which the manner that Axiom was removed from Equinox. This is a guild that I technically founded myself, on a side note.
This not a Monarchy anymore and you are not the King anymore. This should have gone through the Senate and Cabinet first. You say my actions were disrespectful, but taking this upon yourself was just as disrespectful. You singlehandledly ignored the court, cabinet and senate.
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Joshua
Nov 20 2010, 07:46 PM
You have gone to far Falc, and this is rubbish. The discussion was not public Falc. I had spoken to Wop, Whig, George, Jahka, Diamete, PhDre and anyone else that was active at the time.

The region and founder did not need to be included in this conversation. It was a Guild matter and was discussed privately with the Guild. You have no authority to remove my masking or HOF status.

My actions were not out of ego or anything else that you have stated. I came in thinking I could bring Axiom back, and I tried, but I had little help beyond Tadin. I had founded the Crusaders region back during the summer to keep it out the hands of the raiders. We had done some regional development and there seemed like a lot of excitement behind the creation of an actual region. I felt my decisions were the best course if we were to preserve the remnants of Axiom and the Crusaders.

I am disgusted at you Falc. You have been absent from Equinox for so long, then you barge in here and pull this stint.
Bullshit, Josh. Find me that discussion. No evidence of it anywhere, and over MSN you said you only talked to Whig and Jahka and could not provide any more names after that.

You have every right to found a Crusaders of Justice region but you do NOT have the right to take Axiom away from Equinox on such short and ill-advised notice, with no democracy, and then invite all the Equinox citizens in your guild to your own region. That's actually treason in most NationStates regions.
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Hadisthe
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Let's keep tempers down. We'll handle this as a region, as we have handled everything that has come before.
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Nordlijnonia
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Do we have any laws against treason? Do we have laws against people being egotistical? Do we have laws saying people can't shut down guilds?

Falc I don't need to be the one to tell you that you're being more of an ass than usual right now. Whether or not rescinding the monarchy benefitted the region, your opinion on the issue gives you no right too come here any do anything. If you want to change something, get elected and voice your opinion like everyone else. Because since you stepped down that's exactly what you are: just like everyone else.
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Joshua
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I have asked Wop and Diamete to post here. You are angry that I decided what I did and you are taking this out on me. In doing so you have ignored the democratic institutions of this region.

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Nordlijnonia
Nov 20 2010, 07:52 PM
Do we have any laws against treason?
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Section 1: Treason

Treason is defined as taking arms or providing material support to a group or region for the purpose of undermining or overthrowing the lawful government of Equinox and its allies.

Joshua, if you would really like, I could attempt to take you to court for treason.
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I'm sure you'll have a fun time arguing that closing an inactive guild is an attempt to overthrow the government. But how about you wait for the Senate hearings to commence.
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Joshua
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If you feel so inclined please go for it.

As Guild Head I have the ultimate authority to keep it open or close it, just because you are pissed off and don't like it does not your decisions any credibility.

But, I didn't just shut down Axiom on a whim or out ego. I took my time, talked to people and then decided.
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The evidence in the Axiom Guild would be enough to at least bring him to trial, if not to find him guilty.
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