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Joshua
Topic Started: Nov 20 2010, 07:36 PM (1,419 Views)
Founder Falconias
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Joshua
Nov 20 2010, 08:17 PM
Not really. There are no laws stating that the region needed to be consulted in the closing down of a guild and the same goes for the founder. Jethnea to my knowledge never consulted the region about closing down.

You missed my point. You didn't even consult your own guild fully before closing it, and generally its more respectful if you talk to at least the founder about it. My issue doesn't lie with not being consulted, but the lack of democracy and the abuse of power.
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Joshua
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I did consult my own Guild, and if you choose to believe me or not thats up to you. But, you made your decision based on emotion and no evidence. Just because you do not have the proof, does not mean it isn't in existence. Guild members were consulted, conversations took place and a decision was made.

I did not make the decision unilaterally, nor was done in a rush.
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Nov 20 2010, 08:16 PM
Equinox Archives in Solstice.
Thank you!!

Hadi, everything's back in order now. Or, at least, it should be. *nod*

And so now, I'm going back to work. Nobody do anymore crazy illegal admin shit in the meantime. :rolleyes: *flounces off*
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Founder Falconias
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Joshua
Nov 20 2010, 08:22 PM
I did consult my own Guild, and if you choose to believe me or not thats up to you. But, you made your decision based on emotion and no evidence. Just because you do not have the proof, does not mean it isn't in existence. Guild members were consulted, conversations took place and a decision was made.
You're right, it's up to me what I believe, and I believed you did it in bad taste. The admissible evidence is on the forums; and the only information available is your dictatorial post. If you want to prove to the region that you had majority support, you had best come up with a majority number of witnesses from the old guild because there is no support to suggest that you consulted anyone other than Jahka or Whig currently.
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Joshua
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People have been PMed, and where do you get off demanding anything? Bad taste does not make your attempted actions justifiable, and you have done plenty in the past without having had consulted anyone prior to the actions you undertook. I am sure plenty of people would label past actions you carried out as in bad taste, as being dictatorial, etc.
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Nordlijnonia
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Falc: shut up.
Josh: shut up.

There will be hearings to look into the matter further. So however fun this little circle kids pulling each others dicks may be, it's not going to resolve anything. So please.
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Joshua
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My apologies Nord. :)
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Nordlijnonia
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:)
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Founder Falconias
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Joshua
Nov 20 2010, 08:30 PM
People have been PMed, and where do you get off demanding anything? Bad taste does not make your attempted actions justifiable, and you have done plenty in the past without having had consulted anyone prior to the actions you undertook. I am sure plenty of people would label past actions you carried out as in bad taste, as being dictatorial, etc.
Probably because I was King, and there's a difference between King with constitutional powers, and guild head with no constitutional powers. :P

Proof of the PM's would be nice when the time comes.
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Hierarch Asy
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WHERE IS MY SON?!

Ermm Wow.

And for the record Josh, Jethnea was a region that joined Equinox as a guild. They were the only guild with that history of joining. I also seem to think that the Jethnea Guild was a temporary thing until they got their shit going again. So they could leave without legal shit.

Think of RL Terms. USA & Texas. Texas could leave if they wanted, but as shown in the Civil War, you will just be invaded and forced to accept the Feds as your daddy pimp :P



As for Axiom leaving, idk. I think Falc is fighting a losing case, especially since AV is CJ. He is a huge supporter of Guilds Rights, and will most likely side with Axiom. Then again, I dont see anything to support the right of a guild to leave.... Hmmm, I just dont know.


Also. Nord :wub: I love it when your active :) :)
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tommattox
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Completely neutral on the matter as it doesn't really involve me but I feel it necessary to note that, when Jethnea joined Equinox, we had a specific clause in our agreement that stated that we were joining to preserve our culture until we felt we had the ability to go it alone again. As Axiom was an original Equinox guild. I doubt they had any such agreement with the rest of the region. This may or may not effect things, I'm just filling in some details.
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Diamete
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I don't know what crystal ball you were looking into Falc. But your interpretation is way out of whack.
I only came back here to let you all know that i was asked about what i thought about Axiom being moved. At the time i was one of the only members really active here in Axiom. No matter what was tried to revive Axiom never worked. Axiom was dead here.
That has been proven by the growth of "Crusaders of Justice." Personally for me when equinox morphed in a constitutional guild, that was the beginning of the end for me. I came here because the region was different politically.

For me removing Josuha's title is pure Bull Shit.Just because he decided to play more in another sandbox. For shame on you Falc!!!!

On another note *waves* Hello to everybody else. :)

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Hospitlar
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HI HO SILVER!

Hi Diam
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Diamete
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hey Hosp.:)
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For goodness sakes. Are we really gonna fight here?

On pg 1 Falc posted this:

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Section 1: Treason

Treason is defined as taking arms or providing material support to a group or region for the purpose of undermining or overthrowing the lawful government of Equinox and its allies.


Since when did Josh undermine or even try to overthrow the government of Equinox? Show me exact proof.
The guild decided to close as a group decision. All Josh wanted to do was to keep CoJ running and not letting it disperse. CoJ was more active than Axiom at the time. After they closed down, Josh, myself and others wanted to keep CoJ going so we made it our own region.

This region does not seem to have gone to the "shitter" after Axiom disbanded.
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