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Old FIW Where Are You?
Topic Started: Apr 19 2007, 10:48 AM (445 Views)
Elrick
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Ok, after being asked my numerous people I have to say this with honesty, what in the hell has happened to the great FIW? This place used to own all other federations, make all other feds stare at it with awe and complete jealousy, now we have writers being lazy (yes me sometimes) we have people who don’t even rp all the time, the federation was once so great, people we need it to become what it once was, look at it’s days in 2005/2006, 30-40 rps weekly, yes there was two shows but fuck me this place was amazingly good, now where stuck in some kind of lack luster mode and it’s not good, so who’s with me on turning this place back around, I’m talking to you ALL!

I’m talking to the lower carder rpers who think they can’t get anywhere, bullshit because 2 years ago I was nothing in this place, now I’m one of the best up and comers going so I’m told, the rest of the roster we should be leading by example, showing the lower carders how TRUE role-players, role-play. The writers in this place too, come on guys, myself included, this place used to have matches that screamed awesome, lately myself included it seems we’re stuck in lazy mode, it can’t keep happening, if we want this place to become what it once was, then we need to up our games, what you all say?

I’m saying this from me nobody else you have a problem with what I say have a go at me over messenger not here, this is my opinion and it won’t change till I see the old FIW back in form.
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Okay, I think the years have romanticized your visions of "old" FIW just a little bit El. There were still cases of writers being lazy back then; there were shows that were up late still (both were not as consistent as currently, however, Wight and I are trying to change that). There were still people who failed to show up too, and about in the same amount we normally get (one or two, admittedly, this week was a off week. But most of the people that did have come forward and said why they did.) Not to even mention your claim of 30-40 weekly RPs, which I'll touch on. The first thing was that when FIW started, wrestling was just going out of its upswing in popularity, thus more people were interested in e-fedding. It is only natural that when wrestling's mainstream appeal fades, so will the number of those who would be potential RP'ers. As well as the fact that only on rare occasions, maybe a few PPVs, did FIW crack that number of RPs (the 30-40 range).

While I'll be the first one to admit there are some problems with writers recently, and while I'll admit RP-wise this week was an off week. I suggest you take those rose-tinted glasses off El, before they cause you more stress.
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Elrick
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Your opinion is your opinion, mine is mine, I was trying to boost morale that's all, whn shows are late, then nobody even rps, or only half a shows posted, it gets annoying, that was all, like I said it was to try and get us rolling again.

Oh and not to break into a flame war because it's stupid as I said but Slam! randomly had 18-20 rps weekly, as did TNT, thus 30-40 rps.
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Just want to say Elrick's right getting up the card in FIW aint hard... clinging on to a lower card spot or trying to drop down the ladder while still rping that's tough I should know I've tried both, I'm still trying the latter.

But yes like Elrick I to was at the bottom of the barrel once, then some crazy people started to think my rps were good, once you got past the sea of colour that used to be my rps that is. And now Xtreme Kitten is the DC which is why like Elrick I long for the old days... the old days when XK wasn't a main eventer.
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Elrick
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*Laughs* The days you jobbed to 'Mare? Oh those were the days *weeps*
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Um....no El, just no, Slam & TNT by '05 (and ESPECIALLY '06) did not have 18 to 20 members a piece. You could maybe get 15-16 RPs per roster per average show at their best during that time. Which, generally speaking, that still puts us ahead of the curb since we normally reach and some times break the 20 mark in terms of RPs on a weekly basis.

I'm not trying to cause a flame war, just like I said, I think you are overly glorifying the "olden days" just a bit here.

And the reason why half the show was originally posted was because of the fact my connection died via storm last night before I could finish. But, considering the fact I'm missing every match outside my own of what's not posted yet, I decided to wait to post the rest till I have the rest (or the majority).

Only two of the writers have much of a excuse as to why they don't have their matches in too. (Wight and Mun, Wight was gone for some time and Mun took on the ME at short notice and shit came up.)
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This thread just makes me feel bad about these past two weeks........

(Hides in corner, puts on mask and re-emerges as Mr. X)


Lazy bums. :rolleyes:
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Being the GM of Slam! for quite sometime I can say that things are running just about the same they did the majority of the time I was GM. Its the nature of the beast...people have lives, shit happens and there is nothing you can do about that.
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Indeed. I took two matches, finished the first early and purely did not have time to finish the second before I left Tuesday morning for a trip to Kentucky that lasted until around midnight last night. After all the driving I was in no frame of mind to write my matches, especially since I didn't even touch the comp until around 2 AM.

... then I overslept and a friend spotnaneously came to visit as I was midway through breakfast, one I haven't seen in about half a year. I wasn't about to turn him away, and he only just left about five minutes ago. I have to leave to get ready for work in, ohhh, fifteen, twenty minutes. So sadly the match probably won't get in until later tonight.

I went through a down period myself, with RPing. I was tired of running specific scenarios with specific characters and waiting on interesting things to happen, so I didn't RP as often or as well as I normally do, especially as I do now.

The extention of time for writers to write their matches really helps me out. Had I not gone to Kentucky this week my match would've been all kinds of on time. Early, even. I'm honestly not sure what the problem with the rest of our writers and RPers is. I often long for the older days of wrestling, specifically the old days of NGIW. When people contributed and contributed more or less on time. When they WANTED to RP and advance their storylines. It's one big stinking load of "no one really cares" now, and it's been steadily sliding that way for some time.

It pains me to think so, but my favorite hobby might just be going down the tubes.

EDIT: It might have to do with the fact that FIW doesn't have NEAR the traffic it used to. Primarily, the majority of the roster doesn't have the passion we did back in the Ad/Wiggum/Lita/Mo/Fear/Skrilla/Edge/Show days. When was the last time we had a new person come in who wasn't a friend of a friend or an oldster returning for another try? NGIW's biggest boom was when random people would wander in and sign up. Some of them sucked, some of them were awesome, but it was something that helped make the fed.

Everyone who's anyone... talk to us. Tell us why you don't RP. Be honest. Don't sugar-coat. FIW has a bit of a problem and if we can fix it, that's probably for the best. When I took the position as GM I said I'd never let FIW die. And I won't. Not while there's still people around to RP.
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I sat back this week and thought to myself.. am I being too active?

I check FIW at least twice a day and there never seems to be anything new. The OOC has fallen on its face, with the exception of feedback and anything to do with Spiderman 3. I think something exciting needs to be done to capture people's imaginations, like offering the opportunity to break down the card placement structure.
For one show, I think the card should be completely shaken up, with someone from the low card being given top title contendership. If nothing else, it proves who is here for the game and who is here because they're lonely..

If you prod me, I've got ideas.
I'm like an idea pinata, or however you spell it.
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Jo
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Well, my problem, which would be very hard to fix considering I might not be the only one with it, is "what's the point?" You RP for a match, for the most part you put your soul into it, and win or lose you gotta do it again the next week. And so on and so on. I realize that once you win you move up and face new challenges, but at where I stand in my e-fed career, I've pretty much done it all. And a lot of people can say that too. Sure, I'll have my moments where I regain that spark that ignites my passion for the e-fed community, but then it slowly starts to die down.

Now, I've tried to fight this problem of mine and put out some hefty, enjoyable characters. Guys I really enjoyed rping as. Guys like Roger Desmond, Stan Stevens, Claude Puissant, and many others. But the problem I find, is I can't stand saying the same things over and over again with only changing opponent names. So I try to revamp the character a little. Sometimes I do alright, as is with Crackerjack, but sometimes I feel I go too far such as with Tamasaburo Sada and Curtis, storylines that made these guys pretty much disappear from the wrestling scene.

So that's pretty much my problem. I understand that it's not really about going from match to match, it's almost like going from paycheck to paycheck, which is something another enjoyable character of mine, Catherine Neville, would call being "conformist". I understand that it's really about putting out entertaining storylines and the like. Which is why I said that I'll sometimes get that spark and create, or at least try to, one hell of a great storyline, or at least a good RP. And not to advertise or anything, but the RP for my match against Oni I plan to do just that.

Seriously though, it's a mixture of reasons why people aren't rping. We just all have to realize that certain things aren't going to stay the same forever. At least that's just my standpoint.

Party on,
Joe.

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I am also a former GM but I have to sadly say I can't comment on the subject because I haven't really read anything pertaining to the main show since I took Kennedy out. I've read things here and there when Min's shown it to me but not much outside of that.

Unfortunately, there's nothing that's caught my attention and made me want to see where it was going. But that's because I haven't really been looking. I left because mentally I needed a break from wrestling altogether. I returned simply because I needed something to fill my time. But I'm not really back into wrestling. Half the time I don't even watch it on TV. And if I do, it's only to see what the women are doing.

If FIW had a women's division, I'd be all over it. I'd love to play a character that strictly wrestles for a Women's Championship (possibly the Flycore on occasion). Not that I don't want to interact with the male characters but I'd want to minimize it to intergender tags or storylines that call for them to meet in the ring. Not because I think the women shouldn't be on the level with the men, but just simply because it's something I've never done before. I've accomplished things with both Kennedy and Siryn (and April to a smaller degree) that I never expected to do when I first joined FIW. I think I mentioned this to Oni a while back, competing in a women's division is one thing I've never done in an e-fed.

I don't even really know where I'm going with this anymore. Just where what I had to say has went. Bottom line, I can't comment on the current status of FIW as I've only focused on SLA (where I'm having a blast working with Adam).
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I think e-fedding in general has just gone into a slump. There used to be thousands of e-feds about, and several good long running ones with eager roleplayers. However, as time moved on. The roleplayers improved, and the quality of results demanded increased.

We are the remaining few of what seemed to be a flood of roleplayers.

On my searches around the internet I can barely find any e-fed that compares in activity to the ones of about 5/6 years ago. Everything must go through slumps. I think the reason why e-feds tend to decline easily is that things become stale. Storylines have a lot of exposure as, instead of television shows when there is one show a week [usually] we have the roleplays all week...and then the shows.. things just get very boring and static quickly. This is when people [including myself] quit.

Umm...dunno what else to say.

On a side note, I haven't watched any wrestling on television for over 2 years. And I've only seen about 3 matches in the past month or so since I restarted roleplaying here at FIW. I also skipped through Wrestlemania 23 on Youtube.
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I think something exciting needs to be done to capture people's imaginations

How about...Pandamania hour? Where the superstars start randomly dancing with panda bears? And end it off with a loud explosion! Ya!
Party on,
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I think something exciting needs to be done to capture people's imaginations

How about...Pandamania hour? Where the superstars start randomly dancing with panda bears? And end it off with a loud explosion! Ya!
Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~

Now, Joe, that's just being silly -_-
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Ash,Apr 19 2007
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I think something exciting needs to be done to capture people's imaginations

How about...Pandamania hour? Where the superstars start randomly dancing with panda bears? And end it off with a loud explosion! Ya!
Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~

Now, Joe, that's just being silly -_-

Is it? Is it really?
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Drake,Apr 19 2007
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Ash,Apr 19 2007
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I think something exciting needs to be done to capture people's imaginations

How about...Pandamania hour? Where the superstars start randomly dancing with panda bears? And end it off with a loud explosion! Ya!
Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~

Now, Joe, that's just being silly -_-

Is it? Is it really?

Yes, yes it is. It really is silly.
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Did I mention there'd be sparklers?
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Trust me. Upping the quotient of uniqueness isn't something that always works. I mean, look at NGIW. Sure we started out strong with our interesting new slant on regular wrestling, but in the end we had exploding pumpkins matches and nothing really made sense anymore.

I agree that something new needs to be injected. I think I know the problem.

I think we've all gotten lazy OR we don't have the means to justify our end.

Lita for example would thrill to be in a women's division. There aren't a whole lot of women IN FIW at the moment. Kailey, Zessy, Larista, and the implied character for Lita. Four, I guess, could constitute a division, but do all of those females actually WANT to be a part of the women's div? She might not have the means to do what she wants. With Larista and Min no-showing as frequently as they have lately, she pretty much doesn't have said means.

Whereas... say, me for example. It's been a long time since I've searched out a storyline. Graver is honestly waiting on someone else to tie up their storylines at the moment simply because it's the only person in the e-fed I still talk to. With 'Mo and Lita and a few others I already mentioned that I closely interacted with OUTSIDE FIW's cyber-walls gone, I'm no longer inclined to just start up a storyline. So in the interum he's got a sort of reactionary storyline with Zessy. We RP against each other. Nothing much else. I miss the days of (for example) Graver and April. Lita and I would excitedly get together and co-write RPs with our characters interacting, talk about ideas for RPs, matches, promos, and storylines far in advance, etc. etc.

Ash is, in part, right. This fed lacks the community it once had. I remember when OOC was so hopping it was like its own separate entity from FIW.
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What always saddens me personally is the large number of 0's next to the replies column of roleplays. A quick check of 10 pages of the RP Archive shows very few replies from people other than the original poster.

During the days when I was around for more than a few weeks at a time, I'd prefer to get all up in someone else's rp directly, or have them interject in mine. There's an extra dimension of interactivity between two (or more) people this way that can often create a more thrilling experience for both writers and readers. Sure, the content might not be THAT different from two people both writing interviews about one another, but it FEELS different and the way it comes across is different.

If two people are going to toe to toe in the same thread both trying to one up one another it can actually lead to a desire to write something better than your opponent because its more direct and in your face. And once you're really battling it out in the rp department, then the result of the next match becomes far more important too as you start to feel the win or loss more like your character would than as a handler. Then the match after that is significant too.. and so on.

But it's not for everyone, that's just how I feel, that's the type of rping that gets me into it. But I'd suggest the key is interactivity. The lack of OOC or people talking much behind the scenes along with the number of isolated rps suggests that its not there in a big way. Would anyone ever conduct a face-to-face rp session in such a manner? It's not the same but if everyone is approaching the fed in isolation then its a small step from enjoyment to unecessary obligation.

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With Larista and Min no-showing as frequently as they have lately, she pretty much doesn't have said means.

In response to that, the Larista RPs will be coming now that I am back on track with things. Just as a note for those curious. Now as far as putting her in a women's division? I could live with that.
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This got more of a reaction then I expected which makes me quite happy knowing it could liven up the place, I crave storylines, I love em', I build Elrick up around them and if anyone ever wants to have a storyline just ask, I'm ready for anything, I also like joint rps, I think there fun. Oh and Mark, I have to agree fully, I loved the whole Ragin'/Elrick rp confrontations, they were so enjoyable I can't even say the words.

Wight and as far as talking to you outside of FIW, is it really sad to say im worried to? I know you me, Loon and Mo used to have a joint convo all the damn time and it was fun and everything, but I dunno, I never really knew where I stood with you, Mo i was practically his anger puppet (funny when he blocked me in rage), Loon and I were quite close, close as could be but I never see him anymore, I would talk with you Wight, but I just get worried if it's so stupid to say.
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Nah, I get the impression a lot of people feel that way about me. I'm not the most approchable guy, and truth be told, sometimes when some people (I'm purposely not naming names) talk to me I tend to grow bored and wish they'd go away. So I understand tyour trepadition, BUT you never know if you don't try, I reckon.

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I can understand where Elrick is coming from... I'm not sure why, but I haven't had the same zeal of enthusiasm I once had since when I was the Extreme Chaos Champion on Slam! in Ye Olde FIW Times.

Not that having a Dual Crown Champion Title reign to my name is bad but I just felt I could have made it a whole lot better had I been given the opportunity at that point it time or had the same enthusiasm as I did back then.
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"Old FIW" may be no more, but new FIW is here. What is new FIW to be exact, you guys are looking at it and can continue to shape it.

People take e-fedding differently, some take it as a comic relief, others a place to live out their wrestling fantasies, others love to make it most realistic as possibles, and some even take the half-ass look at it at times.

That's why an e-fed like NGIW as opposed to FIW IMO has better chances of being more fun if done right. NGIW draws to a specific crowd, the neo-gothic/hardcore/horrocore type wrestling fan to which when done right, is a cult fan based type e-fed with people of similar tastes/likes in e-fedding.

FIW on the other hand like Oni... or possible Wight or even Lita said (one of the veterans) mentioned strived on random people showing up and joining. I remember when joining Rising, I was on a roster with 20 other random people who had 1 single wrestler, no double characters, and I applied while 3-4 others I didn't know applied too.

Without a doubt e-fedding is on a decline, which hopefully will soon see an uprising again. At the same time however, I couldn't say how FIW got a lot of publicity, but a nice dosage of advertising around the e-fed community could help out at times.

Also I may add this as well, getting burnt out sucks, thus why I left which sometimes could help creative juices. If you feel personally you have no ideas for storylines or to keep things interesting for your character, taking a break could some times help. Bring in a new character and then bring back your old one. I will admit ideas for Impact and what I want/hope to do with him when he returns have already crossed my mind, but until I'm ready to come back, I'm enjoying my break from e-fedding being honest.

Oh and to add one thing, I don't know if XK is joking or not, but if you aren't quite a shame you've been given a ball that you aren't running with. Prime example of why this "old FIW" that Elrick claims, is gone.
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